Assuming there is no such thing as time, how do you describe motion in a hypothetical universe?

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I am referring to…
Before we get in to that, do you agree that if gravity was the strongest force in the universe, there would not be a big bang? There would just be a singularity. Can you not see that?

Gravity is the weakest force in the universe, because it has to be in-order for the universe to expand.
 
Gravity is the weakest force in the universe, about 36 orders of magnitude weaker thasn the strong force that holds atomic nuclei together. The gravitational pull at the center of an imploding sun is so strong simply because it is an enormous sum effect of all the atoms and particles present.
Did you read these posts…? I am referring to the pull at the center of an imploding star…I explained this several times…NOT the simple force of gravity…the force attracting matter at the center of an imploding star.
 
Did you read these posts…? I am referring to the pull at the center of an imploding star…I explained this several times…NOT the simple force of gravity…the force attracting matter at the center of an imploding star.
So now you are saying that gravity is not responsible?🙂
 
Did you read these posts…? I am referring to the pull at the center of an imploding star…I explained this several times…NOT the simple force of gravity…the force attracting matter at the center of an imploding star.
Which is gravity. Once a star burns out, gravity finally can overcome the thermal and radiation pressure counteracting implosion.
 
I’m going to get evidence on line explaining the truth in what I’m saying and then re-post my idea for proper deconstruction…tommorow…I have a feeling if this is read properly by the pro’s around here I will not have to explain again…

You guys keep saying no…no…gravity is the weakest…I am NOT arguing that…I am sayio
g the gravitational pull, the draw at the center of an imploding star is the strongest force known to man in the universe…so its not gravity its the attracting force toward the middle of the implosion…how can you guys keep bumbling this up …when you know I’m definately going to get to the bottom of this I’m not talking about a fundemental force…I’m talking about the most powerful event in force, and its effect on motion
 
…when you know I’m definately going to get to the bottom of this
And then you will see that it is gravitational pull that is so strong simply because it is an enormous sum effect of all the atoms and particles present.
 
And then you will see that it is gravitational pull that is so strong simply because it is an enormous sum effect of all the atoms and particles present.
I’m not talking about a fundemental force…I’m talking about the most powerful event in force, and its effect on motion
I will get back up now
 
From the perspective of the collapsing star, the core compacts into a mathematical point with virtually zero volume, where it is said to have infinite density. This is called a singularity.

Where this happens, it would require a velocity greater than the speed of light to escape the object’s gravity. Since no object can reach a speed faster than light, no matter or radiation can escape. Anything, including light, that passes within the boundary of the black hole – called the “event horizon” – is trapped forever. The greatest force event known in the universe.

Goodnight:thumbsup:
 
From the perspective of the collapsing star, the core compacts into a mathematical point with virtually zero volume, where it is said to have infinite density. This is called a singularity.

Where this happens, it would require a velocity greater than the speed of light to escape the object’s gravity. Since no object can reach a speed faster than light, no matter or radiation can escape. Anything, including light, that passes within the boundary of the black hole – called the “event horizon” – is trapped forever.

That should do it
I thought scientists did discover radiation emanating from a black hole? Perhaps i am dreadfully mistaken. But have you considered neutrinos?
 
I’m going to go way out on a limb and suggest time does not exist. A quick thought.

Now you pro’s can ignore…I really find this subject interesting and cannot resist.

We know that our perception of time is relative to the motion of our planet, solar system, galaxy ect.

We also know that there would be a very massive quantity of real matter flying around the universe at an infinite or full range of available motion within the universe.

In fact there would be real particles hurling toward the inner portion of an imploding sun. This great force of gravitational pull is the strongest force known in the universe. From the real perspective of particles in this real situation, due to a dilation of time, our universe would not be here.Our sun would have in fact completed burning up all of its gas’s and be another black hole.

If we offer a real relative perspective to all available matter in motion , I’m thinking that
every moment ever to be in the universe, would be in answer or in fact comprise real relative perspectives every bit as potent and true as ours.

Our perspective is simply one of many which comprise the whole. Our time is an not an illusion due to a defined state of motion, but… it is only a refined portion of a whole reality due to our focus in observance set in our specific motion.

Now…what about non motion in answer to the other reality of extreme necessary for the whole…? In other words where is the relative perspective for the beginning, it would obviously be a state of non-motion or relative anti-motion.

It may be that the beginnings of the expansion and following thrust created a tunnel of timelessness, or non relevance such as the empty funnel at the mouth of rushing water going down the tub…or perhaps the center of a hurricane…at the mouth or outset of the initial thrust of the expansion.

Now we’ve covered all time from beginning to end in real perspective. Every moment is accounted for, from a true perspective. The only absolute perspective would be the accumulation of all explained above in comprising a total true birds eye perspective…

.time then does not exist from this true birds eye perspective, the ultimate real view of all…Absolute reality would be void of perimeter allowing for a true perspective of the totality of the universe. Time only exists as a relative portion then of a timeless universe. The perceived measure defines the individual notice inhibited by the neccesity of peculiar motion. The universe has no time, it simply is…that is relative to the absolute true objective view of creation.
This post was intentionally railroaded and is waiting for proper deconstruction if someone has time…no biggy … if the accompanying posts are noticed since above on page 2 I think , it would seem quite obvious. A full two pages of intentional railroading
 
:rolleyes:

I did it for a laugh

Choo Choo!!
I will wonder over then a make a funny with your above permission…oh before I do lets have another look see at what the last few pages have shown us, which you guys INSISTED being correct which we now see is not true at all…I am the correct one…again

From the perspective of the collapsing star, the core compacts into a mathematical point with virtually zero volume, where it is said to have infinite density. This is called a singularity.

Where this happens, it would require a velocity greater than the speed of light to escape the object’s gravity. Since no object can reach a speed faster than light, no matter or radiation can escape. Anything, including light, that passes within the boundary of the black hole – called the “event horizon” – is trapped forever. The greatest force event known in the universe.
 
From the perspective of the collapsing star, the core compacts into a mathematical point with virtually zero volume, where it is said to have infinite density. This is called a singularity.

Where this happens, it would require a velocity greater than the speed of light to escape the object’s gravity. Since no object can reach a speed faster than light, no matter or radiation can escape. Anything, including light, that passes within the boundary of the black hole – called the “event horizon” – is trapped forever. The greatest force event known in the universe.
We were not wrong about the weakness of gravity. Gravity is the weakest force in the universe for obvious reasons.
 
I went over to your special thread and no ones home, so there was no point in leaving my surprise at the door.
 
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