Astral projection/Lucid dreaming

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So I read an old thread which I couldn’t reply to because it was locked. I’m assuming it’s because it was from 2007. But I wanted to clear up a bit of misinformation contained in that thread.

Lucid dreaming is simply being conscious that you are dreaming. Many people have no control over this, though some do. It seems silly to me that something that is a natural body process would be a sin. I don’t believe God would let you do something out of your control that was sinful especially when you have no control over it.

Now astral travel, I’m not sure about. Though many people have spontaneously astral travelled out of their control. But during astral travel, your soul doesn’t actually leave you. It supposedly stays connected to you. In my opinion, though I’ve never personally done it, I don’t think any of that happens. I think it’s just a switch in consciousness similar to meditation. Just your body doing weird things.
 
So lucid dreaming is not reverie - when you are awake and you start having dreamy thoughts even though you are awake, but is about when you are asleep and in your dream, within the story of the dream, you know that actually you are asleep and dreaming?
 
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So I read an old thread which I couldn’t reply to because it was locked. I’m assuming it’s because it was from 2007. But I wanted to clear up a bit of misinformation contained in that thread.

Lucid dreaming is simply being conscious that you are dreaming. Many people have no control over this, though some do. It seems silly to me that something that is a natural body process would be a sin. I don’t believe God would let you do something out of your control that was sinful especially when you have no control over it.

Now astral travel, I’m not sure about. Though many people have spontaneously astral travelled out of their control. But during astral travel, your soul doesn’t actually leave you. It supposedly stays connected to you. In my opinion, though I’ve never personally done it, I don’t think any of that happens. I think it’s just a switch in consciousness similar to meditation. Just your body doing weird things.
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Astral projection/travel is a load of nonsense. It does not exist.
 
I am on anti-psychotic medication and
one time I was trying to wean myself off
it and cut down too much and had a lucid
episode where I envisioned a “documentary”
about ppl being embalmed in the past and
some were still alive and when they dug
them up some 10 days after, they found
that they were still alive!! It gave me a LOT
of new insights as to the idea that turning
the corpse’s head “to the Right” increased
the chances of a person being revived.
 
Astral projection/travel is a load of nonsense. It does not exist: I read where supposedly some Catholic saints (and some people from other traditions) have reportedly been able to be in two places at one time. Is this astral projection or is it something else entirely. As for being in two places at one time I suppose anything is possible but I don’t buy it.
 
It’s something else.
AFAIK, astral projection (hereon ap) is ‘done’ by the will of the user.
Bilocation, on the other hand, is something God wills for certain people (a notable case being Padre Pio)

So, in AP, the user uses some new agey stuff to apparently travel, of their own accord.

In bilocation, God wills for a person to be in two places at once.
 
Lucid dreaming is an unremarkable, if mildly interesting natural phenomenon.

“Astral Projection” is superstitious. God can miraculously grant similar visions, but seeking them out is futile and damaging to ones faith.
 
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I will not go into detail here, but I can assure you, from experience, that astral projection is not mere fiction.
 
Thank you for the clarification on the difference between the theories of astral projection and bilocation.
 
It still stinks of new-age philosophy in a way that I find disconcerting. No bueno.
 
Indeed. You are right. I do think, however, the lives of the saints do provide some precedence for this phenomenon. In the lives of the saints, God’s plan is at the center of such events. For the New Ager, one’s own ego is.
 
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I don’t understand bilocation he wasn’t there in body? How did people see him? How do they know he actually was going and wasn’t just seeing things? Sorry if I’m obtuse! The fact he stopped bombs dropping is pretty incredible!
 
The lives of certain mystics and saints seem to encompass both concepts. Indeed, whether accounts of being two places at once or out of one’s self or having knowledge of things unseen or having visions of things not at hand, there seems to be a theme of certain saints being able to break with the confines of physical locus.

I’ve always suspected that this level of holiness, the holiness of true saints, allows them perhaps a foretaste of the abilities the Lord seems to demonstrate once risen and glorified. He is able to pass through walls and appear and disappear at will.
 
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Astral travel sounds like a myth to me. Lucid dreaming is real. I used to always be aware that I was dreaming. I had complete control. Anytime I started to feel like I was about to wake up, I would look at my hands and the detail would ground me back into the dream again. I’m losing the skill though! I’m pretty exhausted these days.
 
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