At first thought, as a Catholic I would say it's wrong.But then why?

[Tamsulosin]

Take the following premises:
God expects humans “to multiply”
Otherwise, there would not be 2 sexes: man and woman, but just asexual creatures
void of organs destined to produce offsprings.

Humans are then called to contribute to His plan of procreation.

2 To plant good seeds in a desert where there is no yield for many years is a waste of
God’s given resources.Likewise, fertile ground that is not seeded seems a loss.
3 Often one of the spouses in an infertile couple has a medical condition.The other doesn’t.
Thus the ovules or the seeds of the perfectly healthful spouse are wasted for years,
often a lifetime.
4 Most Catholic couples would like to have children and would like to contribute to God’s
plan by procreating.
So, why would it be ethically wrong to anonymously , and not for pay,these couples donate eggs or seeds so that all couples can have children.Most couples will feel fulfilled and happier since more couples would procrate, and good seeds or ovules will not go to waste for years and years.There would probably be less divorces too.Some couples separate and look for another partner when the one spouse they have cannot give heirs.Instead they would remain together as our Catholic Church teaches.
These would not be abortion either, since only unused eggs(just like in the infertile couple)
go to waste.Only there is abortion when the eggs are discarded"after conception".
In this theoretical case this precious egg will result in birth.
Only the unsuccessful seeds go to waste,like in the infertile couple they go to waste.for years and years.
The result appears more in keeping with the plan of procreating and bringing happiness to married couples.
Not all young couples have $20.000 Catholic Charities requires(I was told by a young couple I know)and $30000,private agencies requires from prospective adoptive infertile parents to apply for adoption.
By the time they save those amounts of money they may have reached 40 years old,and then there are restrictions to adopt an infant.
What do you think?

 

[vppoole]

I suggest looking at the anonymous sperm or egg donation in full circle. The donated sperm or eggs, in order to not be “wasted”, will inevitably be used to artificially inseminate a woman. This would turn the intimate and faithful marital act into a child rearing science experiment and not the intimate expression of love that it is truly meant to be. Please don’t get me wrong. There are approved ways that science may help regarding fertility, but artificial insemination (mankind’s manipulative replacement of the sexual act) is not one of them. Each and every person should be the result of the intimate and faithful act of love between husband and wife. The verses you listed from Genesis should not be interpreted apart from the rest of the Bible and Church Tradition. How are we to expect God to guide us if we never give Him the wheel in our lives? Pax!

 

[bpbasilphx]

\Otherwise, there would not be 2 sexes: man and woman, but just asexual creatures
void of organs destined to produce offsprings.\

Not all species reproduce sexually.

 

[Tamsulosin]

Why wouldn’t couples continue with their"faithful" and loving marital act?

Couples that are infertile, even without accessing these egg and semen banks,do
go through many tests , trials and techniques guided by fertility doctors.But there is nothing inherently wrong about that.

The human species requires 2 sexes.And that is the one in question in this post.
Is God at the wheel when doctors transplant a heart or other organ?

 

[1ke]

Please read the Church’s document Donum Vitae which specifically addresses these reproductive technologies and why they are wrong. You can also read the Catechism section on the Sixth Commandment for a summary which draws from Donum Vitae.

These procedures are a sin against the Sixth Commandment. They violate the unitive element of the marital embrace.

 

[Tamsulosin]

Thank you, I will, since I have a son approaching 35, married for 11 years and very much open to life , but no baby yet.I am sad for them.
I guess that if after reading the material I still believe the procedure does not take anything from the unity of the couple or their love for each other, I may not belong in the Catholic Church given that these rules are probably categorical and final.I know one must not pick and choose what goes with one’s understanding of things, but accept the rulings of the Catholic faith as they are, in their totality
Thank you for the information, I will look into it.

 

[vppoole]

Why wouldn’t couples continue with their"faithful" and loving marital act?

Couples that are infertile, even without accessing these egg and semen banks,do
go through many tests , trials and techniques guided by fertility doctors.But there is nothing inherently wrong about that.

The human species requires 2 sexes.And that is the one in question in this post.
Is God at the wheel when doctors transplant a heart or other organ?

Why must a childless couple resort to forcing a child into being? Couldn’t infertility be understood as a means of God communicating to a couple to adopt a child, or to just wait patiently, or to pursue a different path in life?

I’m not saying that fertility problems cannot be helped by modern medicine. It would be ok if a sterilizing disorder with a spouse was treated and it brought him or her back into normal reproductive health. But forcing a new human life and soul into existence oversteps medicine’s bounds. Isn’t that also in part why human cloning is wrong?

It is one thing to do tests on our bodies; it is quite another thing to be creating a new person. There is a significant difference between supporting an existing life and creating a new one. Wasn’t this one of Dr. Frankenstein’s major mistakes?

 

[1ke]

Thank you, I will, since I have a son approaching 35, married for 11 years and very much open to life , but no baby yet.I am sad for them.
I guess that if after reading the material I still believe the procedure does not take anything from the unity of the couple or their love for each other, I may not belong in the Catholic Church

You are a Catholic. Not understanding or rejecting Church teaching doesn’t change that. You may be a Catholic in a state of sin, or a Catholic who has rejected the Church, but you are always a Catholic.

I encourage you to study what the Church teaches regarding the marital embrace, reproductive technologies, and why they are immoral

given that these rules are probably categorical and final.I know one must not pick and choose what goes with one’s understanding of things, but accept the rulings of the Catholic faith as they are, in their totality
Thank you for the information, I will look into it.

They are not rules. The Church teaches God’s truth.

Ultimately, yes you can accept or reject the Church’s teachings but they are not just “rules.” They are the deep truths about who we are, who God is, our relationship with him, and the way in which God made everything. To believe we can reject God’s truth and live in relationship with him is a delusion. That is like believing we can ignore the physical laws of the universe. We cannot dive into the water thinking we can breathe, that we can defy the way God made us without consequences. Spiritually it is the same. You might not see anything “wrong” with using these immoral technologies but God does. And, to think we can use them without spiritual consequences is as foolish as thinking we can breathe under water without consequences. We simply can’t.

Our lungs need air to breathe, our souls need sanctifying grace to breathe.

 

[Inwe86]

Having children isn’t the only purpose to sex. There’s also the love-giving purpose. Being infertile doesn’t mean that you aren’t fulfilling the life-giving principle because you’re still open to having children if it’s God’s Will. God can still bless infertile couples with children.

What about St. Anne and St. Joachim? Yes, they finally did have Mary in the end, but how many years passed before St. Anne conceived? How long did they try to have a child? A very long time. I don’t think God looked at them as if they were wasting something.

And if a couple can’t have any children, there are a lot of children that need to be adopted.

 

[paperwight]

What about St. Anne and St. Joachim? Yes, they finally did have Mary in the end, but how many years passed before St. Anne conceived? How long did they try to have a child? A very long time. I don’t think God looked at them as if they were wasting something.

QUOTE]

You do know that we haven’t been told anything about Mary’s parents, don’t you?

I don’t think it’s necessarily helpful to refer to pious legends or traditions as objective truth, to be honest, although I appreciate you were trying to be helpful.

 

[mark_a]

Take the following premises:
God expects humans “to multiply”
Otherwise, there would not be 2 sexes: man and woman, but just asexual creatures
void of organs destined to produce offsprings.

Humans are then called to contribute to His plan of procreation.

2 To plant good seeds in a desert where there is no yield for many years is a waste of
God’s given resources.Likewise, fertile ground that is not seeded seems a loss.
3 Often one of the spouses in an infertile couple has a medical condition.The other doesn’t.
Thus the ovules or the seeds of the perfectly healthful spouse are wasted for years,
often a lifetime.
4 Most Catholic couples would like to have children and would like to contribute to God’s
plan by procreating.
So, why would it be ethically wrong to anonymously , and not for pay,these couples donate eggs or seeds so that all couples can have children.Most couples will feel fulfilled and happier since more couples would procrate, and good seeds or ovules will not go to waste for years and years.There would probably be less divorces too.Some couples separate and look for another partner when the one spouse they have cannot give heirs.Instead they would remain together as our Catholic Church teaches.
These would not be abortion either, since only unused eggs(just like in the infertile couple)
go to waste.Only there is abortion when the eggs are discarded"after conception".
In this theoretical case this precious egg will result in birth.
Only the unsuccessful seeds go to waste,like in the infertile couple they go to waste.for years and years.
The result appears more in keeping with the plan of procreating and bringing happiness to married couples.
Not all young couples have $20.000 Catholic Charities requires(I was told by a young couple I know)and $30000,private agencies requires from prospective adoptive infertile parents to apply for adoption.
By the time they save those amounts of money they may have reached 40 years old,and then there are restrictions to adopt an infant.
What do you think?

As a hypothetically sterile Catholic man, I wouldn’t want anyone else “seeding” my wife.

If my wife were sterile, I would need to remember that I still took her for better or worse.

 

[Tamsulosin]

There is no ideal solution.And I respect all of yours and your hypothetical cases.And sometimes is the lady and sometimes is the man the one with health impediments, as participants in these threads know.There are long waits of years to adopt.Each time is less affordable.(Even Catholic Charities, I have been told, charges $20.000)
Using an anonymous donor is definitely not the best solution either, but the inmense joy of the birth, the fulfilment and love the baby brings compensates for it.The baby carries the blood of at least one of them.

And it is easy for those of us who have children to tell a young couple in love, wishing a family, just forget about it, or wait until you are old maybe you give birth to one.
On the other hand, it is natural for them to look for treatments and possibilities, as long as do not involve abortion.

 

[vppoole]

There is no ideal solution.And I respect all of yours and your hypothetical cases.And sometimes is the lady and sometimes is the man the one with health impediments, as participants in these threads know.There are long waits of years to adopt.Each time is less affordable.(Even Catholic Charities, I have been told, charges $20.000)
Using an anonymous donor is definitely not the best solution either, but the inmense joy of the birth, the fulfilment and love the baby brings compensates for it.The baby carries the blood of at least one of them.

And it is easy for those of us who have children to tell a young couple in love, wishing a family, just forget about it, or wait until you are old maybe you give birth to one.
On the other hand, it is natural for them to look for treatments and possibilities, as long as do not involve abortion.

Adoption not being an easy process still does not justify artificial insemination.

 

[1ke]

There is no ideal solution.

Certainly there is. Uniting oneself with God’s law and God’s will is always the ideal solution. It is always the only solution, in reality.

And I respect all of yours and your hypothetical cases.And sometimes is the lady and sometimes is the man the one with health impediments, as participants in these threads know.There are long waits of years to adopt.Each time is less affordable.(Even Catholic Charities, I have been told, charges $20.000)

You may have been “told” that, but it doesn’t mean it is true.

Cost varies but there are ways for couples to adopt even when they have little money such as grants available through Catholic Charities. Foster-to-adopt is also an option.

Using an anonymous donor is definitely not the best solution either, but the inmense joy of the birth, the fulfilment and love the baby brings compensates for it.The baby carries the blood of at least one of them.

The ‘immense joy’ does not negate the immense sin. It is wrong to manufacture a child. It is wrong to treat a child as a commodity. It is wrong to deprive the child of their birth-parent.

And it is easy for those of us who have children to tell a young couple in love, wishing a family, just forget about it, or wait until you are old maybe you give birth to one.

Whether a poster on this thread has children or not is irrelevant. I do not have children and likely never will.

What we must always do is lovingly give the truth to those who are tempted to sin gravely.

On the other hand, it is natural for them to look for treatments and possibilities, as long as do not involve abortion.

It is only “natural” when they haven’t been taught the truth about the immorality of treatments and how they offend God so greatly.

There are therapies that are moral. But, many are immoral. We are called to please God above all else. And, artificial insemination, IVF, etc, are all offenses against God and his plan for our sexuality and procreation.

 

[Awful_Things]

You do know that we haven’t been told anything about Mary’s parents, don’t you?

I don’t think it’s necessarily helpful to refer to pious legends or traditions as objective truth, to be honest, although I appreciate you were trying to be helpful.

What a snotty thing to say.

We certainly have been “told” about Mary’s parents. In fact, as both have been declared, by name, to be saints, the Church has told us of their acceptance into Heaven.

In addition, through sources such as the Gospel of the Nativity of Mary, Pseudo-Matthew, and the Protoevangelium of James, we get the account mentioned in the earlier post.

These accounts may not be inspired Scripture, but nor are the thousands of written “legends” upon which we base our understanding of much of history. Perhaps you do not accept even the historical validy of these writings, but there is nothing wrong with a poster, such as Inwe86, disagreeing with you, especially since the story of Anna and Joachim have Biblical parallels in so far as other seemingly infertile couples conceived miraculously.

 

[Tamsulosin]

Thank you all for your kind information(some posters did not seem kind, but still).Trusting that the information about grants to adopt and foster to adopt plans are accurate ,I will pass this along to two couples that are in the same predicament though in different states.I wonder if these programs vary from state to state.Nonetheless that info is useful
and I am very grateful for it.
On a side note.Our Chuch, my beloved Catholic Church ,we must admit, has been against
new discoveries in the past.Study the case of Galileo Galilei who was admonished by
Pope Paul V to relinquish his heretical proposition about the Solar System.Galileo was summoned by the Inquisition in Rome in1633 and forced to recant his belief that the Earth moved around the sun. Ironically Galileo is now entombed (if I remember correctly )in the Church of the Santa Croce in Florence.
Bless you all.Tam