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sedonaman
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Well, cry me a river. There are more than enough secular colleges and not enough truly religious ones, and what few there are have come under attack much like this one is.
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TimothyH
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Nobody discovers that they don’t believe in God.
Nobody discovers that they believe in UFO’s or that they don’t believe in ghosts or that they don’t believe in extraterrestrial visitation to our planet or that the government didn’t blow up the twin towers.
The article makes it seem like they had nothing to do with it, that their belief was something that just happened to them, and as such, they bear no responsiblity in the matter. They made a concious decision not to believe, just like I make a concious decision not to believe in fairies and elves.
Belief isn’t something that happens to us.
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Ahimsa
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So, belief in the Catholic Chuch is a result of human will, not the Holy Spirit?
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ANNE_2
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All Catholic Colleges and Universities are not faithful to the Church. Many lose their faith (and potentially their souls) at these institutions.
I don’t understand why Bishops who have unfaithful Catholic colleges and universities in their own Diocese do not strip them of the right to use the name “Catholic” if they don’t adhere to Church teachings.
These false “Catholic” colleges are deceitful to Parents who influence their children and also pay higher tuition, and to students who assume they will be getting a Catholic Education.
Non-catholics who attend Catholic Universities should expect to adhere to this as well.
" APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION of the SUPREME PONTIFF JOHN PAUL II on CATHOLIC UNIVERSITIES "
vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_jp-ii_apc_15081990_ex-corde-ecclesiae_en.html
For those looking for accurate and good Catholic Institutions of higher learning - - please see: “The Newman Guide to Choosing a Catholic College”.
thenewmanguide.com/
I don’t understand why Bishops who have unfaithful Catholic colleges and universities in their own Diocese do not strip them of the right to use the name “Catholic” if they don’t adhere to Church teachings.
These false “Catholic” colleges are deceitful to Parents who influence their children and also pay higher tuition, and to students who assume they will be getting a Catholic Education.
Non-catholics who attend Catholic Universities should expect to adhere to this as well.
" APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION of the SUPREME PONTIFF JOHN PAUL II on CATHOLIC UNIVERSITIES "
vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_jp-ii_apc_15081990_ex-corde-ecclesiae_en.html
For those looking for accurate and good Catholic Institutions of higher learning - - please see: “The Newman Guide to Choosing a Catholic College”.
thenewmanguide.com/
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JHow
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After watching many shows on the Discovery channel I discovered that I *want *to believe in Bigfoot, but alas, he remains elusive.
I follow your train of thought, but I think that what the two characters in the article “discovered” is each other.
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TimothyH
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Belief and unbelief are not things which happen to us without our consent.
Faith is one of the theological virtues, the definition of which are provided for us by the Catechism.
***1814 *Faith is the theological virtue by which we believe in God and believe all that he has said and revealed to us, and that Holy Church proposes for our belief, because he is truth itself. By faith “man freely commits his entire self to God.”
We see belief in action in the Bible.
Then he questioned his father, “How long has this been happening to him?” He replied, “Since childhood. It has often thrown him into fire and into water to kill him. But if you can do anything, have compassion on us and help us.” Jesus said to him, “‘If you can!’ Everything is possible to one who has faith.” Then the boy’s father cried out, “I do believe, help my unbelief!” (Mark 9:21-24)
The boys father has heard of Jesus, and approaches him, but has doubts. Perhaps he does not trust the people who told him about Jesus, or perhaps he is a sceptical person. He has doubts. In the end he makes a concious decision to believe, and then cries out to Jesus to help him with his doubt.
Do you see what is happening here? The people in the article are made out to be victims because unbelief has happened to them without their consent, like getting the flu. They woke up one morning and discovered they were ___________ (fill in the blank)… in debt up to their eyeballs because of credit cards? Democrats? Republicans? Environmentalists? Concert Pianists? Nascar pit crew chiefs? Unbelievers?
The article starts at squre one to make them victims and the school as evil.
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Ahimsa
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So we don’t need the Holy Spirit in order to believe in the Church?
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vsedriver
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Attending a religious campus is a free will choice. A student can always transfer to a secular campus but expecting a religious school to support an anti-religious group is just silly. I do think it would be nice to have a group to help atheists regain their faith.
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Ahimsa
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Is a Muslim group “anti-Catholic”? Are Jewish groups “anti-Baptist”?
Just because someone does not believe in God, does not mean that that person is somehow hostile and antagonistic towards those who do believe.
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Cristiano
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You are proposing a false dilemma that is based on a either/or situation. Faith comes from God but it must be based on reason too (see letter to the Romans) and that is connected to our will.
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Ahimsa
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OK, let me get this straight: you’re saying that we need both the Holy Spirit and our reason, in order to believe?
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_Abyssinia
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Aren’t Catholic Universities not just a place to a get a degree, but for your Catholic faith to be formed. Why would a non believer want to go a Catholic University or stay there if they lost their faith? Why would they want to be around prayer, worship, catechizes etc. It is incredibly disrespectful to start to start an atheist group in a Catholic school. It is wrong on so many levels. No atheist or agnostic group should ever be approved on a Catholic campus.
First and foremost, every Catholic educational institution is a place to encounter the living God who in Jesus Christ reveals his transforming love and truth. This relationship elicits a desire to grow in the knowledge and understanding of Christ and his teaching. - Pope Benedict XVI
First and foremost, every Catholic educational institution is a place to encounter the living God who in Jesus Christ reveals his transforming love and truth. This relationship elicits a desire to grow in the knowledge and understanding of Christ and his teaching. - Pope Benedict XVI
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_Abyssinia
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I as a Catholic wouldn’t go to a Muslim school if one existed because their beliefs and traditions are not in my keeping with my faith. I would not expect that Muslim school to ‘okay’ a Catholic group that I would create, because it would be inappropriate and not in keeping with the university’s identity.
These secular students can transfer to another university if it is so difficult staying in a Catholic university.
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Ahimsa
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I understand your concern, but students of different religions go to universities of another religion, all the time. Notre Dame has Jewish clubs. It helps inter-religious understanding and cooperation.
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puzzleannie
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why on earth would non-believers attend a religious affiliated school in the first place, which is bound to be more expensive than a state school?
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Ahimsa
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Same reason non-Catholic kids attend Catholic high-schools?
Stephen168
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My life experience would not support your assumption.
safety?Same reason non-Catholic kids attend Catholic high-schools?
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Bobber90
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Surely it is in the interest of the Catholic university staff to approve this student group because it encourages discussion on the theme of God, and emphasises that belief is free and robust. If this was a secular university banning a religious society, or worse still, an Islamic institution banning other religious groups, it would be sensational.
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wmscott
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But do those Jewish clubs get all up in arms when there is a Cross in the classroom, and demand that it be removed because it offends them? Or that there a student’s praying at the Marian shrine on campus, and scream separation of church and state?
That is the problem at one Catholic school; a Muslim group is so incensed that there are Crosses hanging around that they want the Catholic school to remove them. If it upsets you that bad why did they go to school there anyway?
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