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Myro1995
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At what point did the canon of scripture gain it’s authority? Or by it’s nature, did it always have authority?
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MT1926
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It depends on what you mean by authority?
By definition the word authority means…
So either Jesus left us a visible authority to lead us to the truth or he left us with no authority but our own.
I’m sure others will argue that I am wrong, but to me it is common sense. If the Bible alone had any type of authority then it should be able to keep us from coming to different interpretations.
Now if by authority you mean canonized here is a good article…
www.catholic.com
God Bless
By definition the word authority means…
- the power or right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience.
- a person or organization having power or control in a particular, typically political or administrative, sphere.
So either Jesus left us a visible authority to lead us to the truth or he left us with no authority but our own.
I’m sure others will argue that I am wrong, but to me it is common sense. If the Bible alone had any type of authority then it should be able to keep us from coming to different interpretations.
Now if by authority you mean canonized here is a good article…
Was the Canon of Scripture Determined before the Church Councils That Decided It?
Does an ancient document called the Muratorian Fragment show that the canon of scripture was determined before the Catholic Church? No. Click here for more.
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PJM
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The Bible was fully AUTHORED by the End of the 1st Century; and the 46 OT books were selected between the 1st and early 4th Centuries; while the Church was under wide-spread Persecutions by the Jewish High Priest AND Rome. So much so that the Church {Catholic} was driven literally underground. GOOGLE the Catacombs of Rome.
Somewhere in this period the bibles Teachings and Lesson were assembled into book form; and the 1st Canon of the Bible I think [??] came in the 4th Century after the Edict of Milan and the freeing of ALL religions to openly practice their chosen faith beliefs.
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Somewhere in this period the bibles Teachings and Lesson were assembled into book form; and the 1st Canon of the Bible I think [??] came in the 4th Century after the Edict of Milan and the freeing of ALL religions to openly practice their chosen faith beliefs.
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evangelical
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Interesting.
Psalm 138:2.
The lord honors his word above his name
Psalm 138:2.
The lord honors his word above his name
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MT1926
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Confusing.
Maybe you can expand on where you are going with this verse a bit more.
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adf417
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This is one of those vs that has a few varying translations, not to mention the varying interpretations. How do you know your translation is the correct one and why would other non-Catholic translations be so different?
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jcrichton
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Hi!
There were several Councils held (finalized on the 4th century), but here’s some info on how it took shape:
Maran atha!
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There were several Councils held (finalized on the 4th century), but here’s some info on how it took shape:
The Authority comes from the Church–basically, it was determined that the Septuagint was the correct source and that the books that were part of the Church’s Liturgy would be the basis for the established canon.
Maran atha!
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jcrichton
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Hi!
Do you know that this passage is not speaking to the “Word” as define by today’s standard (Biblical Text/Sacred Scriptures) but rather as define by God?:
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Do you know that this passage is not speaking to the “Word” as define by today’s standard (Biblical Text/Sacred Scriptures) but rather as define by God?:
Maran atha!
Angel
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Aulef
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Since they were written.
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guanophore
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Certainly Scripture was God breathed the moment it was written, but a “canon” or collection of those inspired writings is a different matter.
The successors of the Apostles, the recipients of Jesus’ authority to teach, bind and loose were those who determined the canon.
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Aulef
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Isn’t canon the collection of books that are literally God’s word?
Besides, the Church does not define anything new regarding SS. It may only clarify truths already revealed by God Himself.
Besides, the Church does not define anything new regarding SS. It may only clarify truths already revealed by God Himself.
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guanophore
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Yes.
Sola Scriptura is a dangerous heresy that has produced immeasurable fruit of division, whereby we know of it’s origin. There is one who desires above all to sow disunity in the Church.
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Crocus
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What do you mean by SS? Sacred Scripture?
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guanophore
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Sola Scriptura (SS) is a doctrine created during the Reformation in the 16th century that was an attempt to replace the authority of the Catholic Church with a more pure and reliable source of authority.
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Aulef
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Yes. Sacred Sacred Scripture.
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Crocus
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Thanks for the clarification. Sacred Scripture in the New Testament started out walking and talking through the apostles who got their teaching from Jesus. Gradually some of the believers started writing things down. It was testified to (hence New Testament) by the leaders of the community, you might say cross checked, double checked as to truth and alignment with Christ ‘s teaching. So all the teaching was in their possession, then recorded.
St Jerome (working out of his office in Bethlehem, don’t you luv it?) set himself to the task of gathering, amongst all the the writings going around at the time, what was true and faithful and necessary, to pass on Christ ‘s teaching. The final product of this endeavour is our canon.
The question is: when did the canon get its authority?
I would say, when Jesus gave Peter the “keys.” Everything was set at that time, just had to be maintained secure.
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Crocus
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OP you might get some insight from a previous thread
Was the biblical canon always known? Sacred Scripture
Hope this helps.
Of particular note, IMO are posts by @Johnr77
Hope this helps.
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Aulef
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You’re welcome.Aulef:
Thanks for the clarification. Sacred Scripture in the New Testament started out walking and talking through the apostles who got their teaching from Jesus. Gradually some of the believers started writing things down. It was testified to (hence New Testament) by the leaders of the community, you might say cross checked, double checked as to truth and alignment with Christ ‘s teaching. So all the teaching was in their possession, then recorded.
St Jerome (working out of his office in Bethlehem, don’t you luv it?) set himself to the task of gathering, amongst all the the writings going around at the time, what was true and faithful and necessary, to pass on Christ ‘s teaching. The final product of this endeavour is our canon.
The question is: when did the canon get its authority?
I would say, when Jesus gave Peter the “keys.” Everything was set at that time, just had to be maintained secure.
Regarding your question, I did answer it, but I guess I didn’t make myself clear enough, so I’ll try a different way.
The canon, which is basically 73 books in versions authorized by the Holy Church, got it’s authority right after the last canonical book, Apocalypse, was written. This is it.
Their authority had been recognized by the Apostles themselves and by the early Church Fathers, both from the east and from the west. We know this because both groups used all of these books to preach the Gospel and the Teachings since the beginning.
1500 years later, because humanity have “bad memory”, and because the protestant heresy was gaining momentum, the Church did the Council of Trent. This council, among other things, defined (clarified to the whole world) that the Catholic canon is the one we (should) know today.
Notice that the Council didn’t do or say anything new. It only made things clear. Things that have been this way since day one. ; )
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