At What Point Does a Baby Get Human Rights in Your View?

[smkw]

It seems to be easy for those who are pro choice, or pro abortion. When a human, in the womb, or out, is dehumanized, it is a simple matter of using any type of abortion method, or the gas chamber.

Is there a distinction between pro choice and pro abortion?
But yes, once we fail to value the life that God has given, we slip right into abortion, death penalty, euthanasia.
All part and parcel of the lack of cherishing life.

 

[smkw]

Is there a distinction between pro choice and pro abortion?
But yes, once we fail to value the life that God has given, we slip right into abortion, death penalty, euthanasia.
All part and parcel of the lack of cherishing life.

 

[Fran65]

As I was the one who quoted from Elts1956, I wanted to clarify that they were making a point against abortion. I thought it an excellent point, hence my quote.

This means that Elts and I are both pro life - as any faithful Catholic must be.

I hope that I have not confused anyone.

God Bless

 

[Sailka]

A baby gets human rights when its mother decides she wants to give birth. If she wants it, its a life. If she doesn’t want it, it isn’t a life.

Simple as that.

I’ve hear that Nature controls Mom giving birth. Never heard of Mom ‘choosing’ to give birth.
Haven’t heard of child ‘communicating’ its feelings of joy, anger, pain Before birth? Havent heard of Fetus’ Own Heartbeat, Own blood at a few weeks? 10 week old fetus’s face Showing grimace of pain, at abortion? Science knows. Mom’s who aborted have ‘empty crib’ syndrome, decades later. I know some in their 50’s, with no children now.

                                                                                           Vivat Jesus

Tony

 

[smkw]

I’ve hear that Nature controls Mom giving birth. Never heard of Mom ‘choosing’ to give birth.
Haven’t heard of child ‘communicating’ its feelings of joy, anger, pain Before birth? Havent heard of Fetus’ Own Heartbeat, Own blood at a few weeks? 10 week old fetus’s face Showing grimace of pain, at abortion? Science knows. Mom’s who aborted have ‘empty crib’ syndrome, decades later. I know some in their 50’s, with no children now.

                                                                                           Vivat Jesus

Tony

 

[smkw]

smkw:
I was just blessed with my second grandson.

When we took “big brother” to the hospital, the baby heard his voice and immediately turned his head in his brother’s direction and opened his eyes.

They learn a lot in the womb.

This week, went to the “abortion mill” with 2 friends to stand silently outside and pray for the souls of the children and for the mothers who were leaving after having abortions. There were 6 or 7 that afternoon, alone.

What a tremendous sadness to have held my new grandson earlier that day and to think of the innocent lives that were taken the same day.
So many people just don’t realize what they are doing.
“Father, forgive them for they know not what they do”.

 

[st_lucy]

I was just blessed with my second grandson.

When we took “big brother” to the hospital, the baby heard his voice and immediately turned his head in his brother’s direction and opened his eyes.

They learn a lot in the womb.

My son was not a big mover in the womb. So when ever I got concerned about his will being I would call his older sister in the room. Her voice always got him to move around. He loved and adored her even before he was born.

Congratulations on your new grandson.

 

[Sailka]

My son was not a big mover in the womb. So when ever I got concerned about his will being I would call his older sister in the room. Her voice always got him to move around. He loved and adored her even before he was born.

Congratulations on your new grandson.

Amen! Surprising (to us men) how emotional, learning, ‘communicating’ innocently pre-born are! Thanks for your witnessings.
Lot of us need to Learn about infants, start of life. Tony

 

[smkw]

My son was not a big mover in the womb. So when ever I got concerned about his will being I would call his older sister in the room. Her voice always got him to move around. He loved and adored her even before he was born.

Congratulations on your new grandson.

Neat!
and thanks.

 

[Dale_M]

PLAL:

At What Point Does a Baby Get Human Rights in Your View?

Your question is basically asking at what stage of development does a human embryo or fetus become a person. I don’t have a hard answer for that, but am willing to discuss the matter. How about when the fetus begins having brain waves? I think its right around 20 weeks, but for safety sake perhaps we could trim a month off, so maybe it should be at 16 weeks of development.

 

[Sailka]

Your question is basically asking at what stage of development does a human embryo or fetus become a person. I don’t have a hard answer for that, but am willing to discuss the matter. How about when the fetus begins having brain waves? I think its right around 20 weeks, but for safety sake perhaps we could trim a month off, so maybe it should be at 16 weeks of development.

Hi Dale! I researched the topic to publically refute Pelosi and Biden on when life begins. I searched Fetal Brain Activity, etc. Was stunned what I found one of those areas. Purely medical documentation with photos showing a grimace of Pain on a 10 week old fetus’ tiny face, as being aborted. Anything else need be said? does not prove brain activity, only Nerve response to pain, on its Incredibly tiny face. As I say, the fetus’s nerves ‘chose’ to display pain on face. Several more like that, documenting basics of Life beginings for unknowing top political leaders.

Very interesting searching fetal brain activity, etc. 1970’s furnished Great documentation, and 1990’s on reveals opposite, doubts, etc. Wonder if Special interests like Naral influenced research. I bet it Influenced what gets posted online! Science, evidence should never be tampered with for any reason. Great research idea, and getting easiest online now!. Good Luck.
Vivat Jesus.
:angel1:
Tony

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

To answer the original question, not having read all that is posted, a baby has all human rights, God given, at the moment of conception. It is sinful man that deprives these children of God of their God given rights.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

 

[mapleoak]

Your question is basically asking at what stage of development does a human embryo or fetus become a person.

No it isn’t. ‘Personhood’ is a philosophical entity.

I don’t have a hard answer for that, but am willing to discuss the matter. How about when the fetus begins having brain waves? I think its right around 20 weeks, but for safety sake perhaps we could trim a month off, so maybe it should be at 16 weeks of development.

You have it backwards. The safety net does not get moved backwards to ‘be safe’. It starts at the beginning and moves forward when there is absolute certainty existing. Lacking that absolute certainty, innocent people will die.

 

[smkw]

No it isn’t. ‘Personhood’ is a philosophical entity.

You have it backwards. The safety net does not get moved backwards to ‘be safe’. It starts at the beginning and moves forward when there is absolute certainty existing. Lacking that absolute certainty, innocent people will die.

 

[smkw]

smkw:
This is very well put! If a developing child has brain waves at X weeks is it not a human child the week before?

So many “pro choicers” would like to talk about “potential” life.
Do we talk about chldren as a “potential” adult?

 

[Sailka]

To answer the original question, not having read all that is posted, a baby has all human rights, God given, at the moment of conception. It is sinful man that deprives these children of God of their God given rights.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

, Deacon Ed. And your ‘New’ Prayer of Devotion, submission by 1930’s Sister St Faustina is one of most Beautiful ones: ** My Jesus, I Trust in You** as is the Legion of Mary Frank Duff 1930’s: Blessed Virgin, everything I have is Yours
Vivat Jesus. Tony