At What point does freedom of Speech &. Expression concerning Religion become offensive?

[Robert_Sock]

I’m still a little confused on what your actual position is. If you are saying that we, as a society, should ostracize people who say offensive things, then I have no issue with that. However, in an earlier post you said certain offensive language should be criminal, which implies you want the government to imprison someone who might say “Muslims are Satanic”… Is that what you want?

I never said that we must not ever offend people with free speech, but I condemn free speech that spreads hatred and the DEHUMANIZATION of others.

 

[Brendan]

Saying that all Muslims are Satanic does nothing promote love, which should be the number one value of any society. For him to say this, we can infer expressed hatred on the Preachers part in an attempt to dehumanize Muslims.

Again, in a carefully constructed culture, the crime would naturally enforced socially. Where would you place love relative to, say, free speech?

I agree that it does not promote love, but where is the claim that they are anything other than human.

You are correct that the Nazi’s referred to them as ‘sub-humans’, and the pro-choice crowd does the same for the unborn.

A claim that they worship Satan is not a claim that they are not human.

 

[mikekle]

You have a point. There may be an underlying hatred but I think of hatred as an emotion. I think, especially for a the “doctor” performing an abortion, all emotion has to be suppressed. I can’t understand how else they can look at the itty bitty hands and feet and not feel remorse or something. It seem to me that they have shut down their humanity in their disregard for human life. I just don’t understand it at all. I mean, I really don’t understand how they can do that over and over again. Something is missing in their soul.

Well, its one of two things, Ive heard some serial killers say how much like the feeling of killing another person, many claim there is nothing like this feeling and once you do it the first time, its like a drug, you want that feeling over and over again.

Or, as doctors, despite what the studies say about whether its a life or not, they KNOW for a fact, they are killing something that is alive…they went thru medical school, so they know, once they do this for so many years, killing is mundane, in this sense, Id hate to be the spouse of friend of a person like this, if it came down to it, killing an adult would not be a big deal to them.

 

[Biggin]

A very well thought out response!

 

[Robert_Sock]

I agree that it does not promote love, but where is the claim that they are anything other than human.

You are correct that the Nazi’s referred to them as ‘sub-humans’, and the pro-choice crowd does the same for the unborn.

A claim that they worship Satan is not a claim that they are not human.

There’s a fine line between being accused of worshipping Satan and being accused of actually being Satanic. Here I believe that the preacher wants to label Muslims as being intrinsically evil, which I would still consider to be a form of dehumanization.

 

[Brendan]

There’s a fine line between being accused of worshipping Satan and being accused of actually being Satanic. Here I believe that the preacher wants to label Muslims as being intrinsically evil, which I would still consider to be a form of dehumanization.

But it is not stating that they are not humans, which is the normative definition of ‘dehumanization’

So if people actually ARE Satanists, is it your opinion that they are no longer human?

These people, for example
mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2014/09/satanic_temple_launches_detroi.html

Are they self-dehumanized? If they are not human, what are they?

 

[Robert_Sock]

But it is not stating that they are not humans, which is the normative definition of ‘dehumanization’

So if people actually ARE Satanists, is it your opinion that they are no longer human?

These people, for example
mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2014/09/satanic_temple_launches_detroi.html

Are they self-dehumanized? If they are not human, what are they?

Again, a lot of it comes down to intention, and we may not know for sure based on the article, but to infer that all Muslims are intrinsically evil would be dehumanizing. If I misjudged him, and his intention were honorable and will lead to a higher good, my apologies to all.

 

[vz71]

I rarely see anyone think twice about it unless they are offended by what someone else has to say.