At what point is a hysterectomy allowed by the Church?

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More importantly, what does your doctor say?
I asked because her question is “At what point is a hysterectomy allowed by the Church?” I assume she is talking to doctors. I was curious if she’s talked this over with her priest. Our priest here is super helpful and has learned a lot from our NFP folks. He helps get parishioners in touch with medical professionals and NFP providers. 🙂
 
Thank you all! 🙂

The Napro doctor (Catholic) won’t give me the BC pill for any reason, neither the hysterectomy for a non-lifethreatening illness. So both options I would have to seek out secular help.

The priest suggest the Napro doctor (because supposedly they can cure everything without BC pills. :rolleyes:). If I used the BC pill for symptom relief then the priest said I’d have to practice total abstinence since the pill can be an abortifacient. Heck my body with the Endometreosis is a natural abortifacient, so maybe I should abstain for that reason too. I am happy that there is NaproTechnology and that it can help a lot of people…but it’s not the salvation of the medical field as it’s made out to be. It’s aggrivating that it is so pushed on you, but no one tells you what to do if it too fails (cause it’s not supposed to fail.)

How the BC pill came up in conversation was I was asking a couple of friends if I was allowed to take it for a time to reduce painful cysts. These same friends also were the ones who told me after my miscarriage and subsequent D&C, horror stories of D&Cs killing babies who were still alive and how they would never have one and yadda yadda. My friend list is quite small right now. I’m the parish freak as it is with all my mental and physical health issues.
 
So it basically boils down to if this next Napro surgery doesn’t work I can ditch that doctor and go for a secular treatment plan (BC pills or hysterectomy) in good Catholic conscience?
 
So it basically boils down to if this next Napro surgery doesn’t work I can ditch that doctor and go for a secular treatment plan (BC pills or hysterectomy) in good Catholic conscience?
Absolutely, and I’m quite disgusted that he thinks you should go through painful and debilitating surgery every other year until you hit menopause. That is not Catholic teaching.

[Here’s from Humanae Vitae, Pope Paul VI’s encyclical on birth control/NFP:

Lawful Therapeutic Means
  1. On the other hand, the Church does not consider at all illicit the use of those therapeutic means necessary to cure bodily diseases, even if a foreseeable impediment to procreation should result there from—provided such impediment is not directly intended for any motive whatsoever. (19) ](Humanae Vitae (July 25, 1968) | Paul VI)
Your intention isn’t to avoid having children; it’s to stop heavy, excruciating periods. If a doctor reasonably recommends birth control pills because the hormones in them will stop the cycle of excess tissue growth, you’re taking them to stop that pain and bleeding. Yes, as a side effect they can keep you from getting pregnant. And, as you see above, per Church teaching that’s perfectly fine as long as it’s not your intention. Likewise, if he suggests a hysterectomy instead, that’s also perfectly fine. Both are “therapeutic means necessary to cure bodily diseases.” They have the side effect of rendering you infertile. That’s not the primary intention.

The Church sees women as human beings with a human bodies susceptible to all the various issues that are possible with the human body, not as a womb on legs whose function is to be preserved over all other considerations. 😛

The only thing I would mention re: using birth control, and I’m sure you’ve already considered this, is that IIRC you’re on medication for anxiety. Not being a medical doctor, I have no idea how or if BC and anxiety meds interact, but do let your doctor know about any meds you’re taking so he or she can evaluate the situation appropriately and prescribe accordingly.

ETA link, which I forgot in the initial post.
 
Thank you all! 🙂

The Napro doctor (Catholic) won’t give me the BC pill for any reason, neither the hysterectomy for a non-lifethreatening illness. So both options I would have to seek out secular help.

That’s really lousy, especially the part about no hysterectomy except for life-threatening issues.

The priest suggest the Napro doctor (because supposedly they can cure everything without BC pills. :rolleyes:). If I used the BC pill for symptom relief then the priest said I’d have to practice total abstinence since the pill can be an abortifacient.

**Your priest is mistaken about how the ethics on BC pill for medical treatment work, but a lot of faithful people are. It’s worse in a priest, though.

It sounds like you’ve gotten a lot of poor Catholic advice. I’m sorry about that.**

How the BC pill came up in conversation was I was asking a couple of friends if I was allowed to take it for a time to reduce painful cysts. These same friends also were the ones who told me after my miscarriage and subsequent D&C, horror stories of D&Cs killing babies who were still alive and how they would never have one and yadda yadda. My friend list is quite small right now. I’m the parish freak as it is with all my mental and physical health issues.
Again, these people aren’t qualified.

You have the number for the National Catholic Bioethics people. Call them if you are ever unsure.

(I am about two degrees of separation from every Catholic ethicist in North America, so I’m really confident about saying all this.)

Best wishes!
 
The only thing I would mention re: using birth control, and I’m sure you’ve already considered this, is that IIRC you’re on medication for anxiety. Not being a medical doctor, I have no idea how or if BC and anxiety meds interact, but do let your doctor know about any meds you’re taking so he or she can evaluate the situation appropriately and prescribe accordingly.
That is a very good point.

I had to do about a month plus of BC pills after I had a miscarriage because I was having uncontrollable bleeding that was leaving me literally faint and green with anemia.

The BC pills did what they were supposed to (stabilized me), but I did start spiraling into depression that started fading as soon as I missed a dose.

I would definitely talk to a NEW doctor about all of the issues and weigh carefully the pluses and minuses of each approach.

Good luck!
 
So it basically boils down to if this next Napro surgery doesn’t work I can ditch that doctor and go for a secular treatment plan (BC pills or hysterectomy) in good Catholic conscience?
I don’t believe the Church allows or not allows hysterectomies. They leave that issue to medical professionals. Go see a OB/GYN for treatment. No doctor will do a hysterectomy without a valid medical need. You can’t get a hysterectomy just to prevent conception, at least from a doc with good medical ethics. I wouldn’t even do the next Napro surgery.

As far as feeling as though you are the parish freak, I’m so sorry you’ve been made to feel that way. To stop others from talking about you don’t give them anything to talk about. If someone asks questions about your health just tell them you are being treating by medical professionals and leave it at that.
 
Thanks everyone. I’m definitely not seeking medical advice. I have a Napro doctor who wants me to have another surgery, but my last one was just two years ago, I don’t want a surgery ever two years for the rest of my reproductive life. Everone says how wonderful Napro is, but when you suffer from the mother of all girly problems there isn’t much more they can do than a regular GYN. I’m 33 and my mom was in her late fifties when she went through menopause! That’s like 13 more surgeries before it’s over! :eek:

I could easily get a regular GYN to give me a hysterectomy. But I still have a Catholic conscience. **We are not trying to conceive anymore and are using NFP to avoid. The risk of another miscarriage is just too high with my condition and my emotional health couldn’t sndure the death of another child. So children aren’t in our future, it would be so easy, so freeing. ** I don’t even take the Birth Control Pills that can help my symptoms some, because it is frowned upon by the Church, even with medical reasons.
Just be careful about this (text in bold), it cannot have any weight on your decision. If this was not part of the equation, would the hysterectomy still be the best medical choice, knowing there is a negative unintended side effect of sterility? This is what you need to pray about informed by a medical doctor and with the help of a priest for discernment. (Did your NaPro doctor say that you would be having surgeries every two years, or does your doctor really and truly believe this could be the last surgery? No need to answer here, just something to think about)

Like it says in the link 1ke posted, hysterectomies are ok “in order to counter an immediate serious threat to the life or health” of the woman, so I am not saying it wouldn’t be ok to have one if medically necessary.
 
Thank you all! 🙂

The Napro doctor (Catholic) won’t give me the BC pill for any reason, neither the hysterectomy for a non-lifethreatening illness. So both options I would have to seek out secular help.
Whoa. This is so wrong. I wonder the Pope Paul VI Institute knows about this. I don’t think a NaPro or Catholic doctor should be against this. It sounds like a twisted bias.
The priest suggest the Napro doctor (because supposedly they can cure everything without BC pills. :rolleyes:). If I used the BC pill for symptom relief then the priest said I’d have to practice total abstinence since the pill can be an abortifacient.
If you are accurately representing what you were told, it’s wrong. You would not have to practice total abstinence.
Heck my body with the Endometreosis is a natural abortifacient, so maybe I should abstain for that reason too. I am happy that there is NaproTechnology and that it can help a lot of people…but it’s not the salvation of the medical field as it’s made out to be. It’s aggrivating that it is so pushed on you, but no one tells you what to do if it too fails (cause it’s not supposed to fail.)
I hope yours is a unusual experience with NaPro. It can’t treat my condition (fibroids) but I thought it was effective for endo.

You’ve tried NaPro; it didn’t work. Get a second opinion. Just to clarify, is your NaPro doctor saying he wouldn’t perform the hysterectomy or wouldn’t refer you for one? Is he a surgeon as well?
How the BC pill came up in conversation was I was asking a couple of friends if I was allowed to take it for a time to reduce painful cysts. These same friends also were the ones who told me after my miscarriage and subsequent D&C, horror stories of D&Cs killing babies who were still alive and how they would never have one and yadda yadda. My friend list is quite small right now. I’m the parish freak as it is with all my mental and physical health issues.
 
Thanks again everyone. You’ve been most kind and reassuring.

I have another appointment on June 15th with the Napro Doctor. I’m sure a second laproscopy will be in the future. He was sure he could make it better. Ok give it one last try. But, if this one doesn’t work or when symptoms return (and they always do, it’s part of the condition) i might seek out a secular doctor for one of the other treatment options.
 
Thanks again everyone. You’ve been most kind and reassuring.

I have another appointment on June 15th with the Napro Doctor. I’m sure a second laproscopy will be in the future. He was sure he could make it better. Ok give it one last try. But, if this one doesn’t work or when symptoms return (and they always do, it’s part of the condition) i might seek out a secular doctor for one of the other treatment options.
That sounds perfectly reasonable, and like a good plan. 🙂

I’ve said a prayer for you, and hope this is resolved soon! Living in pain is really rough.
 
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