Atheism is proven irrational by science and mathematics

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Most of them are very silly. Here is a specific example:

In science a “law” merely generalizes a set of observations to which no exceptions have been found. If someone does find an exception then the law is either changed, discarded or perhaps restricted in it’s applicability.
context, context, context.
To think that a scientific law is proven and at the same time to claim that one understands the basics of science is silly.
that would seem to be disproven in my previous posts

you seem to misunderstand the the difference between the idealized concept of scientific understanding, and its practical application

do you have any specific example of some ‘basics of science’ that i misunderstand?

do you have something to point to other than word games, that you can defend?
 
Airplanes, the internet, flu vaccines, nuclear power plants and weapons. Just to name a few.

By the way, science is in the business of collecting facts and then attempting to explain them. Truth really does not enter in to it.
funny, but thats not what the definition says, it says the actual purpose of science is to determine the truth of facts

it determined the truth of the facts of aerodynamics, vaccines, computers, nuclear fission, etc.

so it seems you are wrong, science does ‘prove’ certain things
 
sillitrons only occur in self annihilating pairs under the planck time threshold. so it would seem that the net average must be zero.
Except for near black holes, where sometimes one of the virtual sillitron/antisillitron pair goes into the black hole and the other escapes into free space. Similar to Hawking rediation, but sillier.

Remember also that sillitrons are neither Fermions nor Bosons but Pythons and follow pythonian statistics.

rossum
 
Except for near black holes, where sometimes one of the virtual sillitron/antisillitron pair goes into the black hole and the other escapes into free space. Similar to Hawking rediation, but sillier.

Remember also that sillitrons are neither Fermions nor Bosons but Pythons and follow pythonian statistics.

rossum
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So why did you say: Buddhists believe in cyclical universes - universes that come into existence and disappear again time and again.

I took you at your word.
Even though this thread has closed, here my response, not to leave you confused about the Buddhist belief I shared.

I took Buddhists at their word too. But I forgot to explain to you that Buddhists have a belief in cyclical universes, minus the FIRST Dark and Cold Nothing and the FIRST Big Bang. Their universe starts with the universe as it is now, a universe which according to them has always existed. They believe this is not the last universe. In that sense it reflects the stand of many atheists who don’t “believe” in the Big Bang either. Buddhists have plenty of company among great atheist intellectuals.
 
S_J_Thaikattil: "So this is how I understand the scientific theories that don’t do proof (theories that keep changing at regular intervals, sometimes limited only by the imagination of the one bringing forth the theories):

First Cold Dark Nothing — Big Bang — Appear a Universe…Earth etc — Disappear universe…Earth etc — Cold Dark Nothing ---- Second Big Bang — Appear another universe…Earth etc — Disappear Earth etc — Cold Dark Nothing ---- Third Big Bang — and so on until eternity…"

Yes this is more or less the Steinhardt-Turok hypothesis. Would you like to discuss it some more?
I have just discussed everything I know about this topic. I don’t know if it helps to write 500 pages trying to explain the same thing. I’m not good at that sort of thing.
 
But the Christian “new universe”, ie new earth and new heaven, is a religious, not a scientific belief, and I don’t expect to be born ever again.
In that case conversion to Buddhism, Hinduism and Jainism and even perhaps Sikhism (all religions of Indian origin believe in reincarnation) is no option for you.

I don’t see how scientific “beliefs” are any different from religious beliefs when it comes to what is supposed to happen 75 trillion years from now.
 
Even though this thread has closed, here my response, not to leave you confused about the Buddhist belief I shared.

I took Buddhists at their word too. But I forgot to explain to you that Buddhists have a belief in cyclical universes, minus the FIRST Dark and Cold Nothing and the FIRST Big Bang. Their universe starts with the universe as it is now, a universe which according to them has always existed. They believe this is not the last universe. In that sense it reflects the stand of many atheists who don’t “believe” in the Big Bang either. Buddhists have plenty of company among great atheist intellectuals.
Hello SJ:

Can you help me out here? There is an apparent contradiction in your statement above. You say that they believe that “the universe has always existed”, yet, you continue, that “they believe that this is not the last universe”. Then, do they believe that this universe will some day cease to exist - even though it has always existed?

God bless,
JD
 
I really am not worried about what happens 75 trillion years or 4.5 billion years or even one million years hence. Just to remind you though: when we started talking about a cold, dark universe, we were talking about this one in 75 trillion years time - not some other hypothetical new one.
Agreed. My bad for not being precise about the 75 trillion years minus ten billion years. Since the next Big Bang is around the corner ten billion years from now, when I referred to 75 trillion years from now, with the products of our Big Bang a Big Cold Dark Nothing, I couldn’t possibly have been referring to the earth we now live in. And if we are living on some kind of earth to discuss this topic 75 trillion years from now, it would of necessity have to be a new one. At least that is what I thought, even if I didn’t put it in so many words.
 
Hello SJ:

Can you help me out here? There is an apparent contradiction in your statement above. You say that they believe that “the universe has always existed”, yet, you continue, that “they believe that this is not the last universe”. Then, do they believe that this universe will some day cease to exist - even though it has always existed?

God bless,
JD
Yep. Ask the Dalai Lama if you don’t believe me about what they believe. Buddhists find the whole idea of a Creator God funny. But they don’t find it funny to believe in cyclical universes. To each one his/her idea of funny.

PS: I’m not a Buddhist, so I really can’t be an apologist for Buddhist idea of funnies and non-funnies.
 
Hello SJ:

Can you help me out here? There is an apparent contradiction in your statement above. You say that they believe that “the universe has always existed”, yet, you continue, that “they believe that this is not the last universe”. Then, do they believe that this universe will some day cease to exist - even though it has always existed?

God bless,
JD
I appreciate
the humility and love
of your challenge.
 
Hi JD,

The Buddha counsels buddhists not to think too much about the origins of the universe and/or life.

However, I wonder whether what is meant is ‘the ocean’ has always existed and out of that ocean originate seas (universes) in an unceasing stream based on causality (conditioned existence).

That would be my understanding having done my fair share of buddhist practice/study prior to my reconversion. (I converted to Catholicism at 18, went astray at 24 during/following an appalling marriage, and then went on a ‘global tour’ of religions before coming home).
 
Agreed. My bad for not being precise about the 75 trillion years minus ten billion years. Since the next Big Bang is around the corner ten billion years from now, when I referred to 75 trillion years from now, with the products of our Big Bang a Big Cold Dark Nothing, I couldn’t possibly have been referring to the earth we now live in. And if we are living on some kind of earth to discuss this topic 75 trillion years from now, it would of necessity have to be a new one. At least that is what I thought, even if I didn’t put it in so many words.
has anyone addressed the fallacy in Carbon dating prior to a few thousand years ago if Genesis is correct about the vapor that watered the earth prior to the flood?
 
has anyone addressed the fallacy in Carbon dating prior to a few thousand years ago if Genesis is correct about the vapor that watered the earth prior to the flood?
Welcome to CAF, firmfoundation . . . glad you are here.

I am not familiar with an idea of a “vapor” watering the Earth prior to the flood. Please explain.

I am familiar that carbon dating has had a plethora of problems. I believe the science of half-lives is sound, but, that human (name removed by moderator)ut remains insufficient. (As they used to say about computer results, “garbage in, garbage out”.)

God bless,
JD
 
Agreed. My bad for not being precise about the 75 trillion years minus ten billion years. Since the next Big Bang is around the corner ten billion years from now,
What makes you think that according the cyclic universe hypotheses you referenced the next Big Bang is 10 billion years from now? It’s trillions of years away according to that hypothesis. Perhaps you misunderstood something you read.

Alec
evolutionpages.com
 
Welcome to CAF, firmfoundation . . . glad you are here.

I am not familiar with an idea of a “vapor” watering the Earth prior to the flood. Please explain.

I am familiar that carbon dating has had a plethora of problems. I believe the science of half-lives is sound, but, that human (name removed by moderator)ut remains insufficient. (As they used to say about computer results, “garbage in, garbage out”.)

God bless,
JD
A friend of mine who was a PhD at Stanford Research Institue wrote a book detailing (and I may get a little of it mixed up) that If indeed the earth was watered by a vapor before Noah’s flood (It had never rained prior to that) then the earth would have been protected from the ultraviolet rays that bombard it now from the sun. Those rays are what create the isotope they measure in Carbon dating. So if they found something that was say 100 years older than the flood (6000 years old?) It would appear to be maybe millions of years old, because it would contain very little of the Carbon 14. Do you follow?
 
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