Atheism more moral?

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Hooding Trees
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You clearly do not, for AntiTheist has explained this to you countless times and you are still unable to grasp it…*

Because there is nothing to grasp … zero … nada … zilch!

The whole point of this thread is to detect whether or not atheism is more moral.

It cannot be more moral because atheism historically has always been on the side of immorality against morality. Read some history. Learn some facts about human nature … instead of obsessing about some bizarre theory regarding mustaches!!!

You might start by reading Will Durant’s Lessons of History, in which as a historian he draws conclusions that are inevitable … the decline of religion corresponds with the increase in immorality. 👍
 
AntiTheist

Well, apart from the fact that Hitler was not an atheist (at the very least, he believed in some kind of supernatural force or “destiny” – at the very most, by some accounts, he considered himself a faithful Christian or servant of God), I think it is you who are quite confused.

This is so absurd I hardly know how to answer it.

Do you not read my posts? When I quote Hitler, do you refuse to read the quotes? :rolleyes:

“The religions are all alike, no matter what they call themselves. They have no future – certainly none for the Germans. Fascism, if it likes, may come to terms with the Church. So shall I. Why not? That will not prevent me from tearing up Christianity root and branch and annihilating it in Germany.”

So in what way does the above quote from Hitler show that, as you put it, “he considered himself a faithful Christian or servant of God.”

Aren’t you a bit confused? :confused:
 
Charlemagne_II said:
.Do you not read my posts? When I quote Hitler, do you refuse to read the quotes?
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I read them just fine. Let’s have a look at this one:
The religions are all alike, no matter what they call themselves. …] That will not prevent me from tearing up Christianity
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This quote is anti-religion and anti-Christianity – it is not anti-supernatural, and it does not preclude Hitler from having faith in some kind of divine force or destiny, which would make him not an atheist.

Incidentally, this quote is – if I’m not mistaken – from the book “Hitler Speaks,” a collection of things he supposedly said that was remembered by people around him. To me, this makes the “quotes” reported by that book less reliable than things that we know that Hitler published and said.

For example, here’s what Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf: "“I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord…”

Whether or not Hitler himself actually believed in Christianity – which is arguable – is irrelevant to the point that he publicly justified his anti-Semitism on the back of Christianity.

And furthermore, even if it were true that Hitler was completely and totally an atheist, it wouldn’t do anything to demonstrate that atheism caused his actions…his stupid racist ideology and dumb beliefs caused his actions…not things that he didn’t believe.

This is getting beyond embarassing for you here. You are so far out of your depth that it is almost ridiculous.
 
Betterave said:
So your argument is: people with IQ less than 95 do not understand processes, lack critical analysis skills, are ignorant in regard to processes that are actually understood, etc.; therefore, they believe in God? (lol)
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Not just those but yes the facts are the as education the sciences increases religious believes decrease…

Furthermore studies have found a direct correlation between IQ and religion, though i appreciate there are other factors involved. E.G. Upbringing.

http://hypnosis.home.netcom.com/images/_iq_vs_religion.png

There is little doubt that nowadays the cleverer and more educated one is, the less likely you are to be religious.
 
Hooding Trees

*There is little doubt that nowadays the cleverer and more educated one is, the less likely you are to be religious. *

Only because clever atheists on college faculties have mastered the art of brainwashing!

Ah yes, the arrogance of atheism.Thinking it is so smart on the Day of Judgment will be quite a trick. :rolleyes:
 
AntiTheist

This quote is anti-religion and anti-Christianity – it is not anti-supernatural, and it does not preclude Hitler from having faith in some kind of divine force or destiny, which would make him not an atheist. By the way, why aren’t “anti-religion” and “anti-supernatural” pretty much the same thing?

Ah, so now you are reading Hitler’s mind. You apparently would rather read Hitler’s mind (think maybe he had faith in “some kind of divine force”) than take someone’s word for it that Hitler was heard to say he would root out all the religions. Don’t you see the contradiction? And don’t you see that he was pretty much a man of his word, in that he ended up persecuting all the religions, even the Protestants who dared to oppose him?

And furthermore, even if it were true that Hitler was completely and totally an atheist, it wouldn’t do anything to demonstrate that atheism caused his actions…his stupid racist ideology and dumb beliefs caused his actions…not things that he didn’t believe.

More obsessing with this theory of yours. Where was it ever said that atheism “caused” atrocities. Obviously, if it did, every atheist would be hateful and atrocious. This is where you have confused yourself by attributing to Christians a position we do not even maintain. What we maintain is that atheism enables atrocities because it removes the commands of a benevolent Deity from human affairs. Any atheist who does decide to be atrocious has removed the avenging God from his equations. :bigyikes:
 
Charlemagne II

As for the link.

Perhaps these results due to a large extent with the results of the relationship between religiosity and IQ. Just in case the faithful information about the “cruel world” does not fully reach them, because it particularly replaced by religious elements rather naive dogmatic assertions. And it follows that the world is not so “terrible”.
 
When I used to frequent discussion boards with a lot of atheists (such as the Religion board at IMDb), threads about whether and why atheists are smarter than theists used to pop up all the time. Even then, I didn’t think the relatively higher intelligence of atheists (if true) was a particularly telling argument against Christianity.

Two reasons for that:
  1. Since the message of the Gospels is aimed especially at the poor and lowly, one would expect that more poor and lowly people would be Christians than rich and higher-class people. And since intelligence appears to be positively correlated with income, one would expect that the poor would tend to be less intelligent than the rich.
  2. The message of the Gospels is designedly one that “simple” people can understand. You must become as children, love your neighbor as yourself, all you need is faith, etc. The fact that the words and passion of Jesus continue to have such a pull for people of below-average intelligence should not be surprising. Indeed, it could be viewed as evidence weighing in favor of Jesus’ divinity.
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AntiTheist said:
Nazism and Communism … are consistent with atheism…
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When we look at the reason why the above is true, we discover why atheism is evil.

Atheism makes it possible for a person to justify Nazism and Stalinism (or the Holocaust or any personal choices, violent or otherwise).
 
Langdell

*The message of the Gospels is designedly one that “simple” people can understand. *

And, as Pascal would agree, perhaps even intellectuals who still have some heart left in them. 👍
 
Bertran

I don’t doubt it. I would still rather believe something because it was true rather than because it feels good.

To each his own greatest desire.

I would rather be a live Christian than a dead atheist. 😃

I would also far rather be a dead Christian than a dead atheist. 👍

By the way, how do you know atheism is true? Because it makes you feel good? :egyptian:
 
Charlemagne_II said:
Bertran

I don’t doubt it. I would still rather believe something because it was true rather than because it feels good.

To each his own greatest desire.

I would rather be a live Christian than a dead atheist. 😃

I would also far rather be a dead Christian than a dead atheist. 👍

By the way, how do you know atheism is true? Because it makes you feel good? :egyptian:
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Hello Charlemagne II !

I assume possibly wrongly, that you believe in the Rapture theology? It could simply be because of your statement that you would rather be a** live **Christian than a dead atheist.

Of course, I realize there is a lot of “Christianese” in the language and terminology being used here. Just asking for a translantion in terms that non theists can understand.

😊
 
Strawberry Jam

Just asking for a translantion in terms that non theists can understand.

I’m not into Rapture theology. Don’t even know what it is. :confused:

We were talking about the higher rate of suicide among atheists as opposed to Christians and any other religious group.

Religion generally is life affirming, as will be seen by the Christian opposition to abortion.

There are exceptions to the rule, as always. There are fanatical members in any religion. But the mainstream of religion is life affirming. If there were no religions anywhere in the world, no sense of the sacred and values that cannot be defied without consequences, I shudder to think who would make the rules and who would be the ones most likely to suffer from those rules.
 
Charlemagne_II said:
Strawberry Jam

Just asking for a translantion in terms that non theists can understand.

I’m not into Rapture theology. Don’t even know what it is. :confused:

We were talking about the higher rate of suicide among atheists as opposed to Christians and any other religious group.

Religion generally is life affirming, as will be seen by the Christian opposition to abortion.

There are exceptions to the rule, as always. There are fanatical members in any religion. But the mainstream of religion is life affirming. If there were no religions anywhere in the world, no sense of the sacred and values that cannot be defied without consequences, I shudder to think who would make the rules and who would be the ones most likely to suffer from those rules.
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I also shudder to think about the consequences deduced by people.

Without any rational thought put into it, and acceptance of things taught from birth. Very hard to interject any alternate points of view after that kind of …programming
 
Hooding_Trees said:
Not just those but yes the facts are the as education the sciences increases religious believes decrease…

Furthermore studies have found a direct correlation between IQ and religion, though i appreciate there are other factors involved. E.G. Upbringing.
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lol! So now your argument is:

http://hypnosis.home.netcom.com/images/_iq_vs_religion.png

There is little doubt that nowadays the cleverer and more educated one is, the less likely you are to be religious.

Therefore, people with IQ less than 95 (who do not “understand processes,” who “lack critical analysis skills,” and who “are ignorant in regard to processes that are actually understood,” etc.) believe in God?

lol!!! Are you personally educated enough to know what a non sequitur is, HT? Google it if you don’t! Your little ‘arguments’ are hilariously bad! I thought you said you understood why people with sub-95 IQ believe in God. It’s ironic, I know, but I’m still waiting to hear something remotely intelligent-sounding from you on the subject.
 
Betterave said:
lol! So now your argument is:

http://hypnosis.home.netcom.com/images/_iq_vs_religion.png

There is little doubt that nowadays the cleverer and more educated one is, the less likely you are to be religious.

Therefore, people with IQ less than 95 (who do not “understand processes,” who “lack critical analysis skills,” and who “are ignorant in regard to processes that are actually understood,” etc.) believe in God?

lol!!! Are you personally educated enough to know what a non sequitur is, HT? Google it if you don’t! Your little ‘arguments’ are hilariously bad! I thought you said you understood why people with sub-95 IQ believe in God. It’s ironic, I know, but I’m still waiting to hear something remotely intelligent-sounding from you on the subject.
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My friend, please clear up the graph a bit, so we know what we are even looking at. I am interested in it, and hope you can clear this up for me as I am not one that is that bright on any matter of converstaion. For instance, this graph is supposed to show countries.

Which are listed?
 
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