oh … OK I totally misunderstood. I thought you said all posts averring there is no god were deleted. I was like huh?
I wouldn’t … but there’s plenty of people out there with zero integrity who would. Why don’t we flip the question – if you were accused of molesting a child, would you pay the parents off to keep it out of court; or would you want to clear your name?
hey … we agree on something
Yes it’s that very same p***** kisser. But I don’t think we’re even supposed to mention it.oh … OK I totally misunderstood. I thought you said all posts averring there is no god were deleted. I was like huh?
I didn’t realize you were referring to a poster named ZEROGOD. I’m not familiar with him (but if he’s the guy who who listed his religion as p…is kisser, then good riddance).
Man I feel stupid now
I thought you were taking your ideals of freedom of expression a little too far.Deuteronomy 22:23-24, NAB:
:banghead: Stoning altogether! Because, at the very least, absolute morality means that stoning people to death is always wrong.
I personally requested that one of his posts be deleted, so I will thank you not to associate me with him by way of religious beliefs.
Works for me.
Zerogod is that guy whom I chewed out last night for being a racist scumbag. Deleting his posts had nothing to do with intellectual censorship.
He was acquitted in a court of law. Unless you would like to build that legal case for us again, I would suggest that you not throw such accusations around.
It’s nice to agree on something as important as this (since we’re always at odds). I recollect one boy who I thought was being abused, I wasn’t sure though but some gut feeling made me think (due to his actions mostly) that he was. I have more than 15 years of experience with children and I rarely if ever encountered abuse except a few incidents which I would chalk down to frustration rather than malicious intent.I wouldn’t … but there’s plenty of people out there with zero integrity who would. Why don’t we flip the question – if you were accused of molesting a child, would you pay the parents off to keep it out of court; or would you want to clear your name?
Francis, if I was innocent I would do everything I could to fight the accusations which means I would be bring it to court.
hey … we agree on something
Yah, I reported him as well. And Francis (humble) didn’t realize what I was talking about when he wrote that. And stop getting so angry it’s not good for your blood pressure.
And I don’t believe OJ was innocent, but I could be wrong. And I’ve written some posts concerning stoning. And no I would not affiliate with you with that nitwit. But stoning to death was a practice meant to enforce a moral absolute. What’s at issue here is purity. You state that stoning is harsh, yes it is, but times were harsh (barbaric) then Eleve. If God had to deal with (and see) people who were constantly sinning and committing evil deeds he had to be strict so that His people would follow his moral absolutes. This doesn’t mean however that the Jews would condemn people for hearsay and the like. They were exhorted to use their common sense and take things case by case. There was a trial. And I’ve already mentioned in another post that people who committed adultery in the OT were not condemned to stoning (David and Bathsheba are two prime examples). Has for the above scripture you assume rape, why?
Right. But, in the city, it puts the onus on the woman to cry out and be heard as evidence that she is being raped. Otherwise, she is assumed to be an adulterer and stoned to death. That is unbelievably horrid.
Fair enough, but don’t forget there still has to be a trial and two witnesses who are without sin. If this weren’t the case, they would’ve been stoning people daily. There is no indication that was happening.
That the law was rarely applied does not make it any less reprehensible. If you want to go that route, all you’re showing is that the Jews were more just in the application of the law than God was in its proclamation.
Deterrence? Avoidance? From rape?!
If the girl was raped she would not be stoned. End of story. Despite how the passage is worded you should not take it literally to mean that if she didn’t scream she would be killed. I would assume if she was raped she would have fought her perpetrator and the evidence of it would be visible (bruises, scratches, forced entry. . . etc.). That being the case she would not be condemned.
You raise an excellent point. In Christianity the notion has always been that god is omniscient in the sense that he is all knowing & his knowledge isn’t bound by time. Moreover, god is also said to be omnipresent (present everywhere); and, according to the bible, knows each of our thoughts.
But there is physical evidence of when a woman is raped.
even if he said yes he did seek god and asked him whether he existed or not & received no response … wouldn’t you just think he didn’t ask in the right way; or something to that effect? What would you say if I told you that I prayed hundreds of times before leaving my faith, in a very humble and sincere way, and received absolutely no response?
It’s part of a legal code. Those are not usually known for irony, symbolism, and allusions to the Iliad.
That’s really not safe to assume. Especially when the consequence of getting things wrong involves brutal homicide.
No.
And, as a consequence, still no, but as for the second part: of course not. I’m not willing to give up my humanity and morality if God decides that’s what he wants. Heck, what if he asked me to sacrifice my son? Or stone a rape victim?
Maybe you need to go through what you’re going through for a reason thus far unknown to you. But remember all prayers are eventually answered.
I mean don’t take it literally that she had to scream, I think it was meant to convey she didn’t fight or struggle in other words she was willing (I know I would fight and struggle if I knew I could be stoned).
This is what I mean when I say this issue isn’t amenable to a productive discourse. I say prayers are never answered because god, as you believe he exists, doesn’t exist. Leaving aside other questions like is there some sort of unknown power or being out there; I say my prayers have never been answered. Of course you’re response will be god only answers prayers in accordance with his own plan. I’ll say then he’s not really answering prayers, he’s just carrying out his plan. You’ll say god is so smart and prescient that he’s taken my prayers into account when formulating his plan. I’ll say no – because tangibly speaking whether or not something I prayed for happened was merely a matter of coincidence (since most things I’ve prayed for didn’t happen & can never happen because many of them were time definite).