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[Ronsatron]

No My love you would explain to them the same as the POPE of the RCC explains. You love everyone and you LOVE the SINNER HATE the sin.

You really need to learn the Catholic faith before you condemn it. Where did the RCC ever condemn a gay person.

Let me do some home work for you since you do not seem to do it. The Pope said welcome them to the RCC and let them know God loves them. Let them know they are carrying a very heavy Cross. But they can indeed carry it with the HELP of CHRIST.

Christ died for all man. He loves them. Why don’t you check up on the RCC doctrine of Jesus Christ of the RCC and then get back to me on gays. God Bless you. Will wait for your reply.

Carrying a very heavy cross? In what way? There is nothing wrong with being homosexual. They are just as entitled to live their lives as everyone else without thinking they ‘have a cross to carry’’.

 

[DeoSalvatoreMeo]

Carrying a very heavy cross? In what way? There is nothing wrong with being homosexual. They are just as entitled to live their lives as everyone else without thinking they ‘have a cross to carry’’.

Homosexuals themselves will say, when asked if being homosexual is a choice, “Why would anyone choose to be gay?” If being homosexual is not difficult, then the argument that it would not be a choice becomes invalid. Are you saying that being a homosexual is easy? Because that puts a whole new spin on the question of choice…

 

[Ronsatron]

Homosexuals themselves will say, when asked if being homosexual is a choice, “Why would anyone choose to be gay?” If being homosexual is not difficult, then the argument that it would not be a choice becomes invalid. Are you saying that being a homosexual is easy? Because that puts a whole new spin on the question of choice…

Of course it is not easy, but it would be alot easier if they were not seen as deviants or unnatural. It is no more a choice that choosing what eye colour you would like. I would prefer to treat everyone equally regardless.

 

[DeoSalvatoreMeo]

Of course it is not easy, but it would be alot easier if they were not seen as deviants or unnatural. It is no more a choice that choosing what eye colour you would like. I would prefer to treat everyone equally regardless.

Right. So please don’t question someone for saying that homosexuals have a heavy cross to bear, when you know that is the case. It saves everyone from having to go through the motions of responding to what you already know to be true. Just common courtesy. Thanks.

 

[DeoSalvatoreMeo]

Of course it is not easy, but it would be alot easier if they were not seen as deviants or unnatural. It is no more a choice that choosing what eye colour you would like. I would prefer to treat everyone equally regardless.

By the way, it’s interesting that you would equate a mental function with a physical trait. We know that alcoholism, schizophrenia and even musical genius appear to have both a nature and nurture aspect to their development. Likening a mental process in which someone finds a particular person attractive, to a physical trait such as eye color, is disingenuous. I think that the genetic argument is unconvincing. However, if I am to entertain your though process, would you say that a man being attracted only to blonde women is genetic or do you think there are some human culture and experiences at play there? I think it’s remarkable that homosexuals are quite sure that their sexual preference is 100% genetic when I can’t think of one other mental process that is.

 

[Ronsatron]

Right. So please don’t question someone for saying that homosexuals have a heavy cross to bear, when you know that is the case. It saves everyone from having to go through the motions of responding to what you already know to be true. Just common courtesy. Thanks.

If the catholic church does not have an issue with homosexual acts that we are in total agreement. I

 

[DeoSalvatoreMeo]

If the catholic church does not have an issue with homosexual acts that we are in total agreement. I

You are equivocating. You know perfectly well that your argument was not that homosexuals have a heavy cross to bear because of societal pressures. You tried to claim that they do not have a cross to bear at all. But now you’ve had to retract that because you realize the foolishness of making that demonstrably false claim. The reasons why they have a heavy cross is a whole other avenue of discussion.

Out of curiosity, do you think that it is discriminatory that two men cannot produce a child with their sex act? If so, would you support bringing a lawsuit against states to gradually try to enact equal conception laws, one state at a time?

 

[Ronsatron]

You are equivocating. You know perfectly well that your argument was not that homosexuals have a heavy cross to bear because of societal pressures. You tried to claim that they do not have a cross to bear at all. But now you’ve had to retract that because you realize the foolishness of making that demonstrably false claim. The reasons why they have a heavy cross is a whole other avenue of discussion.

Out of curiosity, do you think that it is discriminatory that two men cannot produce a child with their sex act? If so, would you support bringing a lawsuit against states to gradually try to enact equal conception laws, one state at a time?

There are homosexuals who are completly happy with themselves and those who are not. Depends on the person. It is not discrimatory that 2 gay men cannot produce a child with their sex act, as currently that is not medically possible. I do think it is discriminatroy that they would not be allowed to adopt a child however.
Regardless if it is nature or nurture, as long as they are treated equally then there is no issue.

 

[Charles_Darwin]

Charles, can you tell me why all of the “relics” of your Darwinist faith have been hoaxes? The peppered moths, Piltdown Man, Nebraska Man, Haeckel’s drawings… All hoaxes. Where are the intermediate fossils? You would think we would have found a clear line of descent by now, wouldn’t you? Apparently, Charles never questions his Darwinist faith though. Can you guys imagine fervently believing in a religion that is only a little over 100 years old, but is replete with hoaxes in such a short time? Impressive for such a recent creation. I get the feeling that Charles thinks “Ida” is his Holy Grail:

youtube.com/watch?v=vx4o2UEG00Q

To be honest i can’t be bothered with another thread where i have to sit and debunk silly creationist claims, to claim all the above were hoaxes shows you simply don’t know anything about the subject.

Also the fact that sceince corrects itself is a GOOD thing. Lets not forget it was SCIENTISTS that exposed Nebraska Man, but these things have little to do with scientists accepting evolution.

Evolution has been “proven” (as much a sceince “proves” things) by genetics. Away and research chromosome 2, and ERVs (and go to real sites, not creationist propaganda sites like answersingenesis).

I tell you what, if you want to talk about evolution then prove to me you have any kind of eduction in the area. For i see no need to discuss it with someone that doesn’t even have a high school understanding of it. Ignorance is not a good argument and it would just be a waste of both our time. I would not discuss maths with someone that couldn’t add 2+2, would you?

 

[rinnie]

There are homosexuals who are completly happy with themselves and those who are not. Depends on the person. It is not discrimatory that 2 gay men cannot produce a child with their sex act, as currently that is not medically possible. I do think it is discriminatroy that they would not be allowed to adopt a child however.
Regardless if it is nature or nurture, as long as they are treated equally then there is no issue.

Sorry I don’t buy it. Being completly happy and living in complete sin is not possible. I do not judge them I pray for them. I know many gay people and I love them. I have never had one tell me they were completly happy.

I know drunks that while they are drinking are completely happy also, until they sober up. Everyone has sin, that is what makes us unhappy. The reason the emptyness and unhappiness is there is because with any kind of sin something is missing.

And then again alot of them not even need to sober up are unhappy even when they are drinking.

Being a drunk is a choice, the same living in a gay lifestyle and any other kind of sin.

I am sure you can tell me being a drunk, drug addict etc is fine to. But it is not, it is self destructing the soul and leaves a person empty and lost.

Any sin no matter what it is, is a heavy burden to carry. It is a heavy cross that one carrys. But that cross if alot easier if you give that burden over to Jesus. He is used to carrying crosses and will help anyone that asks him.

But the devil hates to see people turn to Jesus and get help. he would rather tell people that they can do what they want. He loves to hear when people say sin is okay. Do what you want its your choice. He loves to hear people argue evil. Because the more people who give in to SIN turn to him and away from God. And he loves to see people sad, and lost. He loves to see people turn to sin and destroy themselves. Thats when he laughs the hardest. Then he killed 2 birds with one stone. He knew he helped in destroying that soul and he hurt God at the same time. Thats when he wins, when people are so lost and depressed they don’t believe there is God and help and give up. He moves in and does his best to get them to give up and kill themself. He loves it.

ANd he loves to see people come on hear and fight for him and argue against God. He is just hoping someone troubled really low is out there and can be convinced there is no God. Because he knows better than anyone there is a God. And he wants that soul so bad because he is pure evil. He loves to hear you people laugh and make fun of God.

But anyone out there who wants to know the truth and are so low please believe me God is out there. Just ask him to come to you, no matter what the sin he will forgive you. He is a forgiving and Loving God and is always waiting for you to come home. He feels your pain and can cure it. All you have to do is ask, and believe and accept his love.

 

[rinnie]

There are homosexuals who are completly happy with themselves and those who are not. Depends on the person. It is not discrimatory that 2 gay men cannot produce a child with their sex act, as currently that is not medically possible. I do think it is discriminatroy that they would not be allowed to adopt a child however.
Regardless if it is nature or nurture, as long as they are treated equally then there is no issue.

What does discrimatory have to do with what is a sin and what is not a sin. There is not open for you or I to discuss what is or is not a sin,

If you believe in God you agree with what he says is or is not a sin. If you reject God you reject sin. There is no sin. There is no law. there is no right a wrong. When you reject God you replace him with yourself. You become your own God.

Just like the way you are talking now. You are saying that GOD lies and living a gay lifestyle is not a sin. God says you are a liar and it is. SO there you have it. It really comes down to who is telling the truth. I accept God and I accept his truth. You accept t he devil and his lies.

God says you cannot live in the darkness which is sin and be happy. You say you can and be completely happy. Those were your words that gays can be completely happy. Well thats funny because according to the bible complete happiness cannot be obtained in this world it will be in the next. Because complete happiness is living in perfect harmony with God.

But according to you gays have it in this world. So go figure. But if they are so completely happy why then is the world so messed up. And the more of this lifestyle and the more unhappiness that seems to appear in the world. So again if you call sin complete happines, your happiness and mine is really opposite.

 

[Ronsatron]

What does discrimatory have to do with what is a sin and what is not a sin. There is not open for you or I to discuss what is or is not a sin,

If you believe in God you agree with what he says is or is not a sin. If you reject God you reject sin. There is no sin. There is no law. there is no right a wrong. When you reject God you replace him with yourself. You become your own God.

Just like the way you are talking now. You are saying that GOD lies and living a gay lifestyle is not a sin. God says you are a liar and it is. SO there you have it. It really comes down to who is telling the truth. I accept God and I accept his truth. You accept t he devil and his lies.

God says you cannot live in the darkness which is sin and be happy. You say you can and be completely happy. Those were your words that gays can be completely happy. Well thats funny because according to the bible complete happiness cannot be obtained in this world it will be in the next. Because complete happiness is living in perfect harmony with God.

But according to you gays have it in this world. So go figure. But if they are so completely happy why then is the world so messed up. And the more of this lifestyle and the more unhappiness that seems to appear in the world. So again if you call sin complete happines, your happiness and mine is really opposite.

The thing is, not everyone lives by the bible. If you believe homosexuality is a sin because it says so in the bible, then that is up to you. That should not affect the lives of those who do not believe this. You can quote what god says all you like, but it makes no difference to those who do not follow your book.
Do you believe everything in the bible regarding homosexuality is correct and should be followed? yes or no?

 

[rinnie]

The thing is, not everyone lives by the bible. If you believe homosexuality is a sin because it says so in the bible, then that is up to you. That should not affect the lives of those who do not believe this. You can quote what god says all you like, but it makes no difference to those who do not follow your book.
Do you believe everything in the bible regarding homosexuality is correct and should be followed? yes or no?

YES I believe every word of God should be followed in order to obtain eternal life. And you are correct not everyone lives by the word of the bible. Many do not. I am one of them. But I try, I try real hard, and when I sin and fail I confess, repent and try to do better to not hurt myself, others or God. But in a world full of sin its hard. You have to pick up your crosses every day and carry them. There are all kinds of sin, but we must do our best to overcome sin, not let sin overcome us.

 

[Ronsatron]

YES I believe every word of God should be followed in order to obtain eternal life. And you are correct not everyone lives by the word of the bible. Many do not. I am one of them. But I try, I try real hard, and when I sin and fail I confess, repent and try to do better to not hurt myself, others or God. But in a world full of sin its hard. You have to pick up your crosses every day and carry them. There are all kinds of sin, but we must do our best to overcome sin, not let sin overcome us.

OK, what is the punishment for homosexuality in the bible? I take it you agree with that also? Or is this one of the areas you are happy to ignore. Regardless of the time it was written in, if you say every word of god should be followed then you cannot pick and choose.

When I said not everyone lives by the bible, I meant those people who are not christain and therefore do not need the bible to determine what is a sin.

 

[rinnie]

The thing is, not everyone lives by the bible. If you believe homosexuality is a sin because it says so in the bible, then that is up to you. That should not affect the lives of those who do not believe this. You can quote what god says all you like, but it makes no difference to those who do not follow your book.
Do you believe everything in the bible regarding homosexuality is correct and should be followed? yes or no?

And you are right sin should not effect lives of others. But it does. When a person sins they not only offend God they hurt others around them. When a parent sees their child living in sins it hurt and effects many lives.

Trust me I have friends who children turned to this lifestyle. And it has efffected their lives. The parents cannot accept his. How can you tell someone and force them to accept sin?

I tell them to Love that child, but they do not have to accept the sin, (lifestyle) and they do not have to be part of that. But love that CHild pray for them that they turn away from that sin before its too late. And pray for the grace of God to bring them back to the light.

BUt you tell me, what would your advice be to the parent who does not understand the child turning away from GOd and to sin. What would you say, hey its cool let the devil have em and let them die in mortal sin. You tell me? What would you say. Forget God and don’t believe in him and let the devil take over?

 

[rinnie]

OK, what is the punishment for homosexuality in the bible? I take it you agree with that also? Or is this one of the areas you are happy to ignore. Regardless of the time it was written in, if you say every word of god should be followed then you cannot pick and choose.

When I said not everyone lives by the bible, I meant those people who are not christain and therefore do not need the bible to determine what is a sin.

Yes you are correct not everyone is Christian and accepts Christ. I get that. The punishment for homesexuality is the same as any sin, The same punishment as adultery, murder, etc mortal sin is mortal sin.

Mortal sin is death of the Soul.

 

[Ronsatron]

And you are right sin should not effect lives of others. But it does. When a person sins they not only offend God they hurt others around them. When a parent sees their child living in sins it hurt and effects many lives.

Trust me I have friends who children turned to this lifestyle. And it has efffected their lives. The parents cannot accept his. How can you tell someone and force them to accept sin?

I tell them to Love that child, but they do not have to accept the sin, (lifestyle) and they do not have to be part of that. But love that CHild pray for them that they turn away from that sin before its too late. And pray for the grace of God to bring them back to the light.

BUt you tell me, what would your advice be to the parent who does not understand the child turning away from GOd and to sin. What would you say, hey its cool let the devil have em and let them die in mortal sin. You tell me? What would you say. Forget God and don’t believe in him and let the devil take over?

Again this applies to people who believe that being gay is a sin. I have gay friends who are very happy and their parents do not love them any less. My advice to the parents would be to love them regardless. If they cannot get past that, then that is up to them. You make think it is a sin, and them being homosexual does not affect anyone else or harm anyone.

You have not answered my previous question. Do you agree with the punishment for homosexuality in the bible? Yes or no.

 

[rinnie]

Again this applies to people who believe that being gay is a sin. I have gay friends who are very happy and their parents do not love them any less. My advice to the parents would be to love them regardless. If they cannot get past that, then that is up to them. You make think it is a sin, and them being homosexual does not affect anyone else or harm anyone.

You have not answered my previous question. Do you agree with the punishment for homosexuality in the bible? Yes or no.

Please go back and read my post. It was the first word I posted and I did answer your question.

 

[Ronsatron]

Please go back and read my post. It was the first word I posted and I did answer your question.

I dont think you did answer it directly. I will ask it in a different way. If the bible says that homosexuals should be stoned to death, do you agree with this?

 

[rinnie]

Again this applies to people who believe that being gay is a sin. I have gay friends who are very happy and their parents do not love them any less. My advice to the parents would be to love them regardless. If they cannot get past that, then that is up to them. You make think it is a sin, and them being homosexual does not affect anyone else or harm anyone.

You have not answered my previous question. Do you agree with the punishment for homosexuality in the bible? Yes or no.

By the way who ever said that a Parent loves a child any more or any less if they have sin?

And how can you tell me how I can explain to my friend that their child being gay does not effect them in any way. Because they fill it does.

How do you explain to a parent that if they do not accept the sin thats up to them. What kind of answer is that?