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AnlytcPhil
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I guess I can’t talk to you. You don’t like to think deeply. There are too many people like you. That’s why I must stay in the closet. Have a good life.
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rcwitness
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A therapist wouldn’t expose you…I guess I can’t talk to you. You don’t like to think deeply. There are too many people like you. That’s why I must stay in the closet. Have a good life.
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AnlytcPhil
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I think you might benefit from a therapist…
That’s funny.
Apparently you’ve never heard of theological noncognitivism. I am not exactly a full fleged theological noncognitivist, but I say they may very well be right.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theological_noncognitivism
atheism.about.com/od/Atheist-Dictionary/g/Definition-Theological-Noncogntivism.htm
If you want to see a religious person’s negative take on it, so you could get some ammunition for it, go here:
randyeverist.com/2011/02/theological-noncognitivism.html
Here’s what atheists say about it:
asktheatheists.com/questions/331-what-is-theological-noncognitivism/
specterofreason.blogspot.com/2010/07/two-arguments-for-theological.html
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rcwitness
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rcwitness;14305531:
atheism.about.com/od/Atheist-Dictionary/g/Definition-Theological-Noncogntivism.htmI think you might benefit from a therapist…
That’s funny.
Apparently you’ve never heard of theological noncognitivism. I am not exactly a full fleged theological noncognitivist, but I say they may very well be right.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theological_noncognitivism
If you want to see a religious person’s negative take on it, so you could get some ammunition for it, go here:
randyeverist.com/2011/02/theological-noncognitivism.html
Here’s what atheists say about it:
asktheatheists.com/questions/331-what-is-theological-noncognitivism/
specterofreason.blogspot.com/2010/07/two-arguments-for-theological.htmlThe therapy isn’t for your belief, or noncognitivism, it’s for your dilemma of being a member of a group you are actually at odds with.
As for the “God” thing, I have shared all I should at this point. I have no ill feelings, like you seem to keep wanting to think.
But I WILL take a look at the articles. Because I do care.
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Michael68
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I still don’t understand why atheists are so angry with someone they claim doesn’t exist. It boggles the mind. I have never spent so much energy on something I don’t believe in.
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AnlytcPhil
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Maybe they’re just jealous because they aren’t able to believe that they can live forever in bliss after they die. That’s a very comforting thing for people who can believe it. I wish I could.I still don’t understand why atheists are so angry with someone they claim doesn’t exist. It boggles the mind. I have never spent so much energy on something I don’t believe in.
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Picky_Picky
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Doesn’t look too bad to me. Dead, I would guess.Doesn’t look good in your current state, according to the Church. But, fortunately, you are not at the end yet.
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Picky_Picky
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I think you mean “why some atheists” …I still don’t understand why atheists are so angry with someone they claim doesn’t exist. It boggles the mind. I have never spent so much energy on something I don’t believe in.
I’m not angry.
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AnlytcPhil
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There is nobody, Catholic, Protestant, Jew, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, pagan, Wiccan, atheist, agnostic, humanist, or theological noncognitivist, who wouldn’t just love to be able to live forever in bliss after they die. Any sane person would have to prefer that to dying off into nothingness. They’d have to be insane not to! But there is no way that some of them can say “I really want that to be true, so I think I’ll just up and believe it!” That seems to work with you, but not with many, including me. I don’t know how to choose to believe it, and then – ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT – especially when I cannot even imagine anything to call “God”. I am unable to rule out the possibility that you people are just having an illusion of believing it and feeling emotionally that you believe it, but that you don’t really believe any of it, and that you only believe ‘that you believe’ it.Doesn’t look too bad to me. Dead, I would guess.
So I would appreciate you Catholics to stop looking down your noses at us people who can’t believe, and realize that we’re not so insane as to say “I prefer to die off into nothingness than to live forever in bliss”. I agree that many atheists laugh at Christians, but you need to realize that they’re just ‘sour graping’. I don’t approve of sour graping, but that’s exactly what they’re doing. We are simply unable to believe in magic. Regardless of whether you would label miracles as “magic” or not, it’s still the same sort of thing. Feeding multitudes with only a few loaves and fish is very much like pulling rabbits out of empty hats. Turning water to wine is much like what stage magicians appear to do when they apparently turn one thing into something else.
But, no kidding, do try hard to stop looking down at us whom you call “nonbelievers” and realize that we aren’t bad people at all. The ratio of professing believers to professing nonbelievers has been shown to be a lot higher in prisons than in the world outside of prison. We just don’t know how to believe something like magic could be true just because we would like for it to be.
Happy Thanksgiving!
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rcwitness
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I have shared my faith with you. The only thing I criticized is your hypocrisy by pretending (giving your Church the false impression) that you believe. You have not shown remorse for this. I hope you do someday, and maybe lead to a conversion of heart.There is nobody, Catholic, Protestant, Jew, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, pagan, Wiccan, atheist, agnostic, humanist, or theological noncognitivist, who wouldn’t just love to be able to live forever in bliss after they die. Any sane person would have to prefer that to dying off into nothingness. They’d have to be insane not to! But there is no way that some of them can say “I really want that to be true, so I think I’ll just up and believe it!” That seems to work with you, but not with many, including me. I don’t know how to choose to believe it, and then – ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT – especially when I cannot even imagine anything to call “God”. I am unable to rule out the possibility that you people are just having an illusion of believing it and feeling emotionally that you believe it, but that you don’t really believe any of it, and that you only believe ‘that you believe’ it.
So I would appreciate you Catholics to stop looking down your noses at us people who can’t believe, and realize that we’re not so insane as to say “I prefer to die off into nothingness than to live forever in bliss”. I agree that many atheists laugh at Christians, but you need to realize that they’re just ‘sour graping’. I don’t approve of sour graping, but that’s exactly what they’re doing. We are simply unable to believe in magic. Regardless of whether you would label miracles as “magic” or not, it’s still the same sort of thing. Feeding multitudes with only a few loaves and fish is very much like pulling rabbits out of empty hats. Turning water to wine is much like what stage magicians appear to do when they apparently turn one thing into something else.
But, no kidding, do try hard to stop looking down at us whom you call “nonbelievers” and realize that we aren’t bad people at all. The ratio of professing believers to professing nonbelievers has been shown to be a lot higher in prisons than in the world outside of prison. We just don’t know how to believe something like magic could be true just because we would like for it to be.
Happy Thanksgiving!
I will not reply to you anymore, unless you express a change of heart. I leave you with peace, but NOT fellowship.
Hope your Thanksgiving is good!
Michael
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AnlytcPhil
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It isn’t hurting anybody. It’s helping the people at my church.I have shared my faith with you. The only thing I criticized is your hypocrisy by pretending (giving your Church the false impression) that you believe.
I cannot believe I have done anything wrong,but something good because I support my church financially, help out musically and otherwise whenever I can. So I can’t show remorse for what I believe is good, whether you think it’s good or not.You have not shown remorse for this.
That’s demonstrates a snobbery that I can’t help but feel a little resentment toward about you guys, or at least some of you. You think non-believers don’t have good warm hearts. I would say something about YOUR heart!, but I’ll bite my tongue and stay in the closet about that.I hope you do someday, and maybe lead to a conversion of heart. I will not reply to you anymore, unless you express a change of heart. I leave you with peace, but NOT fellowship.
Well, that’s shows a little heart. Thank you, Michael. I hope you’re having one too. Maybe you’ll learn to warm up to non-believers. I’ll bet you wouldn’t get huffy at somebody who, say, believed in spooks in haunted houses, even though you don’t. So, I can’t help wonder if the reason we make you huffy is because we bring out your doubt. Could that be it? Maybe you should read a book by a Christian by the name of John Shore entitled “I’m OK–You’re Not: The Message We’re Sending Nonbelievers and Why We Should Stop”.Hope your Thanksgiving is good!
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jcrichton
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Hi, Michael!I still don’t understand why atheists are so angry with someone they claim doesn’t exist. It boggles the mind. I have never spent so much energy on something I don’t believe in.
…it is a conundrum… they are immersed in a religion–yet, since they reject the idea of religion they are being devoured from the inside so they must: a) hold on to their faith-base while simultaneous rejecting any claim to a religious body, b) recruit/proselytize/convert, under the guise of desiring to free man from servitude, c) strike against He Whom they do not accept, even if they must embrace “nothingness” as their sole end and being.
…what I find extremely interesting is the depth of their reach… they embrace science and promote it as the means to disprove God’s existence… all the while ignoring that science does not have the means (knowledge and tech) to search God. The best science can do is plausible deniability: ‘…don’t know, why, what, when…’
…in their quest they can only enhance their own definition of who or what they are (similar to JW’s and Mormons who keep reinventing themselves according to the hit-miss methodology) and regroup and recharge… sadly, they do gain ground since man is bent on disobedience and self-governance.
In spite of it all, the battle against God is as futile as Lucifer’s attempt to Rule–an irate believer must, by default, strike, angrily, against its object… check it out in Scriptures:
Maran atha!17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus. (Apocalypse 12:17)
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…or they are simply rejecting God because they believe that all means to whatever ends is better–that is, they themselves are their own gods, adopting or rejecting whatever they deem necessary for their “self-fulfillment.”Maybe they’re just jealous because they aren’t able to believe that they can live forever in bliss after they die. That’s a very comforting thing for people who can believe it. I wish I could.
Maran atha!
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rcwitness
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Ha! You don’t need to worry about me. Fellowship implies a common faith. We don’t have it, so we don’t need to pretend. My skin is thick, so you can be straight forward. I am obligated to be your friend, and to treat you with respect. I am an equal sinner. Don’t think that aspect of my view of you is different from even myself. But giving thanks for His sacrifice at Calvary is what we need to honor.It isn’t hurting anybody. It’s helping the people at my church.
I cannot believe I have done anything wrong,but something good because I support my church financially, help out musically and otherwise whenever I can. So I can’t show remorse for what I believe is good, whether you think it’s good or not.
That’s demonstrates a snobbery that I can’t help but feel a little resentment toward about you guys, or at least some of you. You think non-believers don’t have good warm hearts. I would say something about YOUR heart!, but I’ll bite my tongue and stay in the closet about that.
Well, that’s shows a little heart. Thank you, Michael. I hope you’re having one too. Maybe you’ll learn to warm up to non-believers. I’ll bet you wouldn’t get huffy at somebody who, say, believed in spooks in haunted houses, even though you don’t. So, I can’t help wonder if the reason we make you huffy is because we bring out your doubt. Could that be it? Maybe you should read a book by a Christian by the name of John Shore entitled “I’m OK–You’re Not: The Message We’re Sending Nonbelievers and Why We Should Stop”.
Edwin
You can PM me anytime. I will converse. Peace
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AnlytcPhil
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I wish some of you would answer this question. How could you believe that anybody who is intelligent would not greatly prefer to live on blissfully after they die rather than just to die off into nothingness? Do you think maybe it just hasn’t occurred to them that they ‘must’ die? If not, that wouldn’t show much intelligence, would it? If they believed that “self-fullfillment”, as mentioned above, were more important than living forever in bliss, that wouldn’t show much intelligence, would it? I’m just curious as to how you’d respond to that. Why would an intelligent person, not a stupe, stay a nonbeliever, choosing to die into nothingness over choosing to live eternally in bliss? Take Stephen Hawking, for example, in his terrible physical condition. He can’t even move! But he’s plenty smart. Why do you think he would choose to die off into nothingness in just a few years, when he could live forever in bliss with a brand new healthy body? What’s your explanation? Thanks.…or they are simply rejecting God because they believe that all means to whatever ends is better–that is, they themselves are their own gods, adopting or rejecting whatever they deem necessary for their “self-fulfillment.”
Maran atha!
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Hi, Phil!I wish some of you would answer this question. How could you believe that anybody who is intelligent would not greatly prefer to live on blissfully after they die rather than just to die off into nothingness? Do you think maybe it just hasn’t occurred to them that they ‘must’ die? If not, that wouldn’t show much intelligence, would it? If they believed that “self-fullfillment”, as mentioned above, were more important than living forever in bliss, that wouldn’t show much intelligence, would it? I’m just curious as to how you’d respond to that. Why would an intelligent person, not a stupe, stay a nonbeliever, choosing to die into nothingness over choosing to live eternally in bliss? Take Stephen Hawking, for example, in his terrible physical condition. He can’t even move! But he’s plenty smart. Why do you think he would choose to die off into nothingness in just a few years, when he could live forever in bliss with a brand new healthy body? What’s your explanation? Thanks.
…heard of the expression… relative?
…it is relative… relative to what “intelligent” means
…relative to “society’s acclamations”
…relative to “integrity of the person”
…relative to “man’s psyche”
…intelligent human beings claimed ignorance when deciding for abortion–they made several claims, two of them being: 1) we do not know when human life begins, 2) we do not know that it is a human being in the womb.
…intelligent human beings also claimed: non-Caucasians are not really human beings.
…intelligent human beings still credit “mother-nature” as the cause of life.
There are so many more examples of “intelligent” humans going wrong based on “intelligence.”
…check out computer hackers… these are intelligent humans who are bent on chaos and disruption… could you imagine what they could do if they put their intelligence to work for the benefit of mankind?
…the US and the UN are filled with intelligent people who made their stance against the Catholic Church… fighting and blocking her in issues dealing with the poor, the orphans, human trafficking, sex education, and fighting the aids epidemics… their concern has been to keep the Church from promoting abstinence, self-control, marital fidelity, and general self-respect. They are bent on forcing the Church to promote homosexuality, promiscuity, abortion, contraception, and euthanasia…
…so while the Church could help the poor, the disenfranchised, the ill… and though only abstinence can fully guarantee to 100% unwanted pregnancy, teen pregnancy, spread of aids and other sexually transmitted disease, the intelligentsia at the US (and other nations) and the UN reject and even hinder the Church’s efforts in non-proselytizing aide.
Intelligence is not always the gauge for human “choice”/factoring… take Saul Alinsky, he was purported to being a highly intelligent person, he admired Satan and credited him for gaining a kingdom… it is on this vein that “intelligence” render’s itself futile.
Intelligence embraces nothingness because it cannot lower itself to accept that it does not “know” everything and it cannot humble itself to a higher Authority.
…I’ve heard it said: ‘I rather reign in hell than serve in Heaven…’
…replace “reign in hell” with “oblivion” and we would have intelligent people running to nothingness in an effort to escape what is unknown to them–even though it is calling them from within!
Maran atha!
Angel
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AnlytcPhil
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So you have no answer for my question, right?
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AnlytcPhil
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Why do you believe that atheists don’t want to live forever in bliss after they die?
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rcwitness
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I don’t believe that.Why do you believe that atheists don’t want to live forever in bliss after they die?
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AnlytcPhil
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"AnlytcPhil:
Remember, he is 74 years old, and knows full well that he doesn’t have much longer to live.
Why do you believe that atheists don’t want to live forever in bliss after they die?
Then why do you think a brilliant atheist such as Stephen Hawking, who is in a totally paralyzed condition in which he cannot move, doesn’t become a Christian so he can do what you believe he wants to do – live forever in bliss in a new healthy body with no paralysis?I don’t believe that.
Remember, he is 74 years old, and knows full well that he doesn’t have much longer to live.
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