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JRPO
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they’re just in denial.
or maybe just searching for the truth
or maybe just searching for the truth
Atheist, agnostic, infidel, skeptic, pantheist, evolutionist call them what you will
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teachccd
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And we sure do have our work cut out for us, don’t we…
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JRPO
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How true. How true.
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Dousias
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Hi boys! Not much action on this thread, eh? Let’s step it up a bit then…
Yes Jr., we ARE searching for truth. And so should we all. Have you found “truth?”
I’m still seeking truth…
Blessed be, Dousias
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NoWings
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Dousias
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NoWings
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You know, I think I’ll make a blanket statement about theists.
They’re stuck in a pipe dream with no grip on the reality in front of them.
Or, maybe they found the truth.
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Dousias
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They have found the truth! Other people’s truth. I guess that works for them.
Welcome to the forum NoWings.
Blessed be, Dousias
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Timbothefiveth
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I’m wondering how the truth changes? The people who actually knew whether or not Jesus rose from the dead he did were willing to be persecuted by the Romans for their belief. If it’s true, it’s not just true for them, it’s true for me too. It’s like all history. Abraham Lincoln didn’t exist for some people and not exist for others.
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Dousias
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Ahhh, what is Truth?
Check out:
plato.stanford.edu/entries/truth/
Some things lend themselves to truth because they are facts; evolution and gravity are Truths and Facts. “Man was born sinful.” Truth and Fact? Prove the Fact and that will establish Truth. For some people, evolution is not a fact and sinfulness is. And that without any Facts. It would appear Truth is really relative.
Blessed be, Dousias
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Hosh
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Speaking of relativity; Einstein was Agnostic. If you think its true that you can tie your shoe, then he wasn’t wrong.
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Aboveallbereal
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There is of course no end to this debate but very often theists - I am a Christian and hence a theist - forget an important thing that Jesus taught us. We are mere children. I take it that The Lord meant that we cannot by ourselves divine metaphysical answers and if we could they would probably scare us to death.
We are children as are the atheists. Richard Dawkins et al know absolutely nothing of metaphysics - and neither do we. What we have is a grace which is a synonym for a charity from God allowing us see both our innocence of knowledge and our relationship with omniscient knowledge.
The atheist temperamant is frequently hubristic, deterministic and depressive all characteristics which make hearing the voice of God difficult. The Christian response is not to argue ( none of us know anything) but rather to pray.
We are children as are the atheists. Richard Dawkins et al know absolutely nothing of metaphysics - and neither do we. What we have is a grace which is a synonym for a charity from God allowing us see both our innocence of knowledge and our relationship with omniscient knowledge.
The atheist temperamant is frequently hubristic, deterministic and depressive all characteristics which make hearing the voice of God difficult. The Christian response is not to argue ( none of us know anything) but rather to pray.
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alongexpected
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I see it differently. I look at the definition of “agnostic”. It means “someone who believes that the question of whether or not there is a God is unknowable.” That includes every man, woman, and child on Earth.
There is not one single person who absolutely, positively KNOWS that there is a God. Of course, there’s evidence that there’s a higher power at work, but there has never been proof.
People can have all the faith in the world; they can believe that there is a God and that their religion is the correct one and all that. That’s great. More power to you. What gets me, though, is when people act like they/their own religion has a monopoly on the truth. No one knows for sure. People should at least be prepared, be opened to the idea that they were wrong.
Therefore, every person on Earth is an agnostic; the vast majority just don’t know it.
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lil_flower_luv
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Hello, alongexpected!
Life simply wouldn’t make sense without Him.
I agree with the OP. The post above mine proves that. You see, you want to believe - call yourself an agnostic, atheist, whatever. But you cannot because you need visible, touchable evidence. Did you know the things worth believing in cannot provide you that?
I know for sure there is a God. He has revealed Himself to me many times, and continues to do so. Why, breathing in and out is proof of His existence! I absolutely, positively know there is a God, not just a higher power, but a true Creator and Love itself.
Life simply wouldn’t make sense without Him.
Don’t count me as one of them!
I agree with the OP. The post above mine proves that. You see, you want to believe - call yourself an agnostic, atheist, whatever. But you cannot because you need visible, touchable evidence. Did you know the things worth believing in cannot provide you that?
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Hosh
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My strong belief in determinism is an integral part of my faith. It takes a lot of thought and courage (unless your completely content with your life) to become comfortable with this. Nothing flies in the face of most theologies more than the fact that no matter whats going on at the quantum level, a gagillion levels up, its almost certain that there is no free-will.
If you don’t argue you’ll get stupid. That’s why I’ve started to post on Internet forums, so I don’t do it to the ones around me. At least try arguing with God.
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Aboveallbereal
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Look at your post. “Fact” “almost certain”. In neither case can you be remotely sure you are correct but you assume or think you are. This is what I mean by hubris. I don’t know your faith or position Hosh but you are not in possession of the knowledge to state “facts” about what is or isn’t happening levels up from quantum ( I too am in that boat).
Atheist commentaries are acts of faith as much as anything else a faith which as I say appeals to determinists and depressives who want to believe in the mere materiality of things . Your comment is an act of faith given that you don’t know whether you are right or wrong.
We are using the verb argue is different ways and yours is more accurate than mine. I mean by argue a kind of aggressive fight. You mean discussion about different views. You are right to say it is necessary to argue atthat level but it is not possible to posit “facts” about metaphysics.
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Hosh
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Humanistic determinism is not metaphysics. With future technology this can be proven to be right, unlike the existence of God. If Its proven to be wrong then God exists.
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