Atheist moral arguments

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Like I would respond to any kind of infantile nonsense. With a mixture of resignation and frustration

However as christians we should bless the bonehead youtubers that persecute us, as well as the "oh so smart but OTT arrogant pop philosophers. The world is a disaster zone basically. How do you think Jesus or the prophets must have felt?

I dont know. Take three deep breaths, say a prayer and place hope in the Holy Spirit
 
kildare said:
Like I would respond to any kind of infantile nonsense. With a mixture of resignation and frustration

However as christians we should bless the bonehead youtubers that persecute us, as well as the "oh so smart but OTT arrogant pop philosophers. The world is a disaster zone basically. How do you think Jesus or the prophets must have felt?

I dont know. Take three deep breaths, say a prayer and place hope in the Holy Spirit
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Calling this video “infantile nonsense” is extremely ignorant. Just because someone believes something different than you doesn’t make it “infantile nonsense”…especially when your basis for that belief is faith and not something that can be proven.
 
jimjack said:
Calling this video “infantile nonsense” is extremely ignorant. Just because someone believes something different than you doesn’t make it “infantile nonsense”…especially when your basis for that belief is faith and not something that can be proven.
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:rolleyes:
 
The video is pretty rediculous.

First off this guy has zero understanding of theology. Like how he states God wouldnt create evil. Really? thats an old argument and if you had a second grade understanding of theology you would see this guy knows nothing.

second he says were biologically made to be moral. That it came from evolution. Which ofcourse would mean the only reason we have morals is because they happened by random chance. again Really? i guess we were just lucky that random chance morals didnt make murder morally correct and compassion morally incorrect.

Just some athiestic pride trying put the whole focus of life on man instead of on God.
 
if_youCthispray said:
The video is pretty rediculous.

First off this guy has zero understanding of theology. Like how he states God wouldnt create evil. Really? thats an old argument and if you had a second grade understanding of theology you would see this guy knows nothing.

second he says were biologically made to be moral. That it came from evolution. Which ofcourse would mean the only reason we have morals is because they happened by random chance. again Really? i guess we were just lucky that random chance morals didnt make murder morally correct and compassion morally incorrect.

Just some athiestic pride trying put the whole focus of life on man instead of on God.
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lol, if your concept of evolution is that things came to be from “random chance” then you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Evolutionarily a conscience makes perfect sense. A society wouldn’t work if everyone was killing each other. So we evolved to become helpful and morals.
 
jimjack said:
lol, if your concept of evolution is that things came to be from “random chance” then you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Evolutionarily a conscience makes perfect sense. A society wouldn’t work if everyone was killing each other. So we evolved to become helpful and morals.
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what you’re saying is:
Since we couldnt have a society without correct morals evolution had to have given us correct morals.

Thats like saying Im going to die if i dont get a glass of water so evolution is gonna give me a glass of water.
 
jimjack said:
lol, if your concept of evolution is that things came to be from “random chance” then you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Evolutionarily a conscience makes perfect sense. A society wouldn’t work if everyone was killing each other. So we evolved to become helpful and morals.
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hey you throw faith into evolution happening same concept as us Christians throwing faith into the living God
 
Link0126 said:
How would you guys respond to this video. My friend asked me about it but I honestly can’t even watch Atheist stuff anymore b/c it just sickens me to no end now…

thinkatheist.com/video/the-moral-argument
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[BIBLEDRB]Romans 1:19-20[/BIBLEDRB]

While Paul was specifically discussing nonbelievers who were behaving repugnantly, this same passage supports the idea that nonbelievers should be able to discern right behavior even without the benefit of Revelation.

Did you know there are Atheist pro-lifers? Apparently, we theists don’t hold a monopoly on that.
 
RainbowNight said:
We all have the right to post our beliefs, why it sickens you?
Try to see in their eyes, you may possibly understand them more. 🙂
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He has a right to post them and I have a right to dismiss them outright without any consideration what so ever. I have gotten to the point of being disgusted when I see stubborn atheists denying and generally blaspheming God.
 
Funny, quoting evolutionary ideology as justifying respect for people outside of our close genetic relatives - since evolutionary ideology intensified racial divisions like nothing before or since… 🤷

He starts to make up the argument he’s arguing against about half way through. You know, some poor atheists will believe this counter argument* isn’t *distorting the original argument?

“Religious folk often ask”??? His imaginary religious folk friends??? :rotfl:

Incredible. Sadly this guy isn’t unusual. And they say fundamentalist Christians are nutters! The fundamentalist atheists, however, regularly outshine them in terms of illogic.

Hands down!
 
SonCatcher said:
[BIBLEDRB]Romans 1:19-20[/BIBLEDRB]

While Paul was specifically discussing nonbelievers who were behaving repugnantly, this same passage supports the idea that nonbelievers should be able to discern right behavior even without the benefit of Revelation.

Did you know there are Atheist pro-lifers? Apparently, we theists don’t hold a monopoly on that.
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Thanks. I like that way of looking at it.
 
if_youCthispray said:
what you’re saying is:
Since we couldnt have a society without correct morals evolution had to have given us correct morals.

Thats like saying Im going to die if i dont get a glass of water so evolution is gonna give me a glass of water.
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No, that is not what evolution says. If some societies had better morality than other societies, then the societies with the better morals would be more successful, and eventually grow to the point of outnumbering the societies with poor morals. Evolution does not “give” anything. It only recognized advantageous variations when they happen to come along. And recognizing this fact does not in any way support atheism or diminish God’s role as the author of everything, since He designed evolution too.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
No, that is not what evolution says. If some societies had better morality than other societies, then the societies with the better morals would be more successful, and eventually grow to the point of outnumbering the societies with poor morals. Evolution does not “give” anything. It only recognized advantageous variations when they happen to come along. And recognizing this fact does not in any way support atheism or diminish God’s role as the author of everything, since He designed evolution too.
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Are you kidding? it absolutely supports atheism 100%. If our sense of morality is simply a learned behavior based on our interests it completely undermines God’s inherent value and his revelation to us.
 
Link0126 said:
Are you kidding? it absolutely supports atheism 100%. If our sense of morality is simply a learned behavior based on our interests it completely undermines God’s inherent value and his revelation to us.
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An evolved behavior, I think you mean.

While I don’t find arguments for divine creation of natural processes compelling, they’re necessary for a consistent theology. How else can a theist support divine providence for any natural phenomenon we need to survive as a species? From gravity to the water cycle, we are literally surrounded by natural processes without which we would simply die.

What makes natural biological evolution of morality any different? Without the morality that’s evolved in us, we could not exist as a social species. Outside of a social species, there is no place for religion, let alone Christianity. Any self-respecting God would be bound to set up the conditions for our existence if its intent was to create Christianity. It may not be as poetic as the image of a moral code written on our hearts, but it has the distinct advantage of avoiding the physiological absurdity inherent in turning a blood pump into a moral organ.

Or maybe you’re right, and it’s a slam dunk argument for atheism, and you should come over to our side, immediately.

It’s okay. It’s not as bad as you think. We’ve got cookies,

As ever, Jesse
 
lao_tzu said:
An evolved behavior, I think you mean.
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A learned behavior. Our behavior would have “evolved” b/c we learned that we have a better chance of survival when we do or don’t do certain things. It wouldn’t have just evolved on it’s own. It evolved b/c either consciously or unconsciously we figured out what to do.

But this whole notion undermines the idea that we are to love b/c God is Love or not to lie b/c God is truth. So while physical evolution may be consistent with Christianity I cannot see how “moral” evolution would be.

Considering that moral evolution relies also on macro evolution I don’t see it as a slam dunk at all.
 
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