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I see … the problem is in Sweden Lutheranism is the state religion, so virtually everyone is baptized (and an official member of the church). Zuckerman points this out.I believe I already showed you two surveys, one from Eurobarometer and the other from World Values Survey (I’ll find them for you again if I must) which you discounted because of the huge discrepancy between Zuckerman’s percentages and those they cited, however, I found this on atheism.about.com/library/irf/irf03/blirf_sweden.htm
“The country has a total area of 173,732 square miles, and its population is an estimated 8.9 million. Approximately 81 percent of the population belong to the Church of Sweden. It is possible to leave the Church of Sweden, and an increasing number of persons do. In 1999 when the Church and the State separated, 33,299 persons left the Church of Sweden, more than twice as many as in the previous years. The number decreased somewhat in 2000, and increased to a record high 53,702 in 2001. In 2002 44,760 persons left the Church of Sweden.”
There are approximately 150,000 Roman Catholics. The Orthodox Church has approximately 100,000 members, and the main national Orthodox churches are Greek, Serbian, Syrian, Romanian, and Macedonian. There also is a large Finnish-speaking Lutheran denomination. While weekly services in Christian houses of worship generally are poorly attended, a large number of persons observe major festivals of the ecclesiastical year and prefer a religious ceremony to mark the turning points of life.
**Approximately 70 percent of children are baptized, 40 percent of all those eligible are confirmed, and 90 percent of funeral services are performed under the auspices of the Church of Sweden. Approximately 60 percent of couples marrying choose a Church of Sweden ceremony. **
. . . . Although no reliable statistics are available, it is estimated that 15 to 20 percent of the adult population are atheist.
However, in the Eurobaramoter poll, only 23% of Swedes say they believe in god. Yeah, another 53% (back in 2005) said they believed in a life force or spirit … but they also said they didn’t believe in god.
According to Merriam Webster atheism = a: disbelief in the existence of deity b: the doctrine that there is no deity.
Under that definition, the vast majority of Europe (forget about just Sweden) are atheists, and 76% of Swedes are atheists. Although the perception of atheists is nonspiritual, it’s not at all true (unfortunately). There’s a wide range of divergence within atheism, and not all are pure materialists like myself (in fact we’re the intelligent minority, even within our own species
Oh btw, when you say 52% of Europe believe in god, it depends on how you classify Europe. If you toss Turkey in the mix, sure (even though they’re Islamic – and 95% of Turks say they believe in god, because it’s probably not a great idea to express yourself as an atheist in an Islamic country
The worse thing is Josie I suspect you’re smart enough to have realized all this – yet you still tried to feed me this intellectually dishonest argument. I just can’t stand pundits.