Atheists: Prove that beauty exists

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josie_L said:
Well, there are always exceptions to the rule, Humble, but generally speaking most of us are not like this, and we do need love to sustain us. You cannot go through life without love, and Iā€™m not even sure what that would do to a person, who didnā€™t know love. As such humans are different from other animals/creatures, who for the most part act on instinct alone. It is not necessary for animals to love.

Do you remember the story of a girl who was treated like an animal (I believe she was couped up by her parents)? Anyways, she was has a result of this treatment very savage, in due time however, with care and love, she was brought back from that abyss. And last I heard she is quite sane and happy. I think she wrote a book.
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What, I want to know more about this? Any sources buddy?
 
Benjamin8o8 said:
What, I want to know more about this? Any sources buddy?
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Iā€™m not a buddy, Iā€™m a buddette (I mean Iā€™m a girl bengy!!). I canā€™t remember, it was on the news and Oprah quite a few years back. Sorry!!
 
josie_L said:
Iā€™m not a buddy, Iā€™m a buddette (I mean Iā€™m a girl bengy!!). I canā€™t remember, it was on the news and Oprah quite a few years back. Sorry!!
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lol

okay, thanks anyways. šŸ™‚
 
josie_L said:
Iā€™m not a buddy, Iā€™m a buddette (I mean Iā€™m a girl bengy!!). I canā€™t remember, it was on the news and Oprah quite a few years back. Sorry!!
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was it Dr. Phil who cuddled her back from the abyss :eek:
 
I find this string interesting. I have a physics background and always felt myself pretty well grounded in logic, reason, etc. However, I could not deny God and that eventually led me to the one true Catholic and Apostolic faith. The further I dug into scientific truths the more ā€œbeautifulā€ nature appeared. There is tremendous beauty in science and mathematics that point to something else. I must say that to prove beauty exists seems pointless. I could easily ask someone to prove that beauty doesnā€™t exists. Or why not prove that science exists.

You canā€™t prove God. I tried and it never got me closer to the truth. It isnā€™t that easy. He is God, we are not. To recognize that our perception of the world is insignificant compared to the awesome expanse of the universe is enough for me now. I look for the truth in what is revealed to me through Godā€™s loving mercy. I am wiser knowing that I will never prove God and it gives me peace knowing that it doesnā€™t matter. What difference does it make in what I think? The truth is the truth is the truth, the fun in life is being given the gift and talents to go try to find it. After-all isnā€™t that our goal in science, to find the truth?
 
breadlife said:
I find this string interesting. I have a physics background and always felt myself pretty well grounded in logic, reason, etc. However, I could not deny God and that eventually led me to the one true Catholic and Apostolic faith. The further I dug into scientific truths the more ā€œbeautifulā€ nature appeared. There is tremendous beauty in science and mathematics that point to something else. I must say that to prove beauty exists seems pointless. I could easily ask someone to prove that beauty doesnā€™t exists. Or why not prove that science exists.

You canā€™t prove God. I tried and it never got me closer to the truth. It isnā€™t that easy. He is God, we are not. To recognize that our perception of the world is insignificant compared to the awesome expanse of the universe is enough for me now. I look for the truth in what is revealed to me through Godā€™s loving mercy. I am wiser knowing that I will never prove God and it gives me peace knowing that it doesnā€™t matter. What difference does it make in what I think? The truth is the truth is the truth, the fun in life is being given the gift and talents to go try to find it. After-all isnā€™t that our goal in science, to find the truth?
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I came to reject theism mostly on logical grounds (though not scientific ā€¦ since you canā€™t empirically prove or disprove the existence of god).
 
You see I donā€™t base my theories of life or its beginnings on unproven science. Iā€™m open to whatever physicists discover (it wonā€™t destroy my theology because I have no theology). I donā€™t need physics to debunk religion, nor are any of my objections to religion based on anything besides simple logic (as Iā€™ve said continually). I look at the pattern of religion generally speaking, the fact that its claims canā€™t be substantiated, and the fact that no claimed miracle has ever withstood rigorous scrutiny (much less ever been exposed to rigorous scrutiny). I see a god who coincidentally became absent from human history just as mankind began to examine natural phenomena through the prism of science. Is all this circumstantial evidence mere coincidence? I balance that very low probability against what I know about human nature and the motives of man (and how entrenched interests are determined to retain their power or position).
 
humble_in_doubt:

I donā€™t really know how to use this thing so I am not going to quote you. What is your point?
 
humble_in_doubt said:
I came to reject theism mostly on logical grounds (though not scientific ā€¦ since you canā€™t empirically prove or disprove the existence of god).
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Look, I think I figured out how to quote. How nice.

So you canā€™t prove or disprove God. I canā€™t disagree. Why does that matter? If God either exists or doesnā€™t exist and you canā€™t prove it, where does that leave you?

Does this thing have spell checker? I am going to look silly fast without it. Excuse me please.

Anyway, why are you so adamant and aggressive in arguing from a logical point of view like you said to reject theism.? I respect your willingness to make your point and I see from your many posts that you like to argue. Thatā€™s okay. I think you also said you have a legal background. Maybe you enjoy argument, logic, debate for its own sake. I can see how that might be appealing. You seem like you are intelligent and like to be well read and seem pretty clever and good at finding information fast. You have talent.

What matters most to you?
 
When I said a severely deprived person would not seem to be a person, I meant that they would not behave like what we recognize as a person.

I did not mean that such a person did not qualify for ā€˜personhoodā€™.

As far as ā€˜proving Godā€™ is concerned, that would run counter to the concept of free will. If God was as obvious and provable as the oak tree in my yard, everyone would believe and there would be no role for faith.
 
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