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Veritas248
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No, I’m serious.Sure…
I respect facts a lot more than feelings.
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I respect facts a lot more than feelings.
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Veritas248
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What, dare I ask, is so attractive about oblivion?“I’d rather die than go to Heaven.”
~William Murderface, Metalocalypse
…That is my answer to that.(That show is so awesome.
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Blade_and_Blood
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Death is death, to me. I wouldn’t want a life after death. Being in the state of the unborn is alright with me. :yup:
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Veritas248
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No, no, no, that isn’t what I meant. What makes oblivion preferable to eternal bliss?
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Snerticus
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I’m thinking you mean “unconcieved” rather than “unborn”. There is a difference, and sometimes a very violent difference.
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Blade_and_Blood
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To me, oblivion is eternal bliss.
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Veritas248
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!!!Oblivion is a state of nonexistence. How could you say that it is blissful, when you wouldn’t even be around to experience it?
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Blade_and_Blood
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Exactly! After I die, I would not want to remain “alive” or whatever you call it. I don’t want to just exist; I want closure, I guess you can call.
Oblivion is a state of nonexistence. How could you say that it is blissful, when you wouldn’t even be around to experience it?
But, since I have never died 
, I don’t know what comes after death. 
I can only hope for nothing.
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Veritas248
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You actually desire self-destruction? Seriously?! I’m sorry to say, but that comes off as blatant pessimism. Besides, nonexistence wouldn’t bring closure, it would bring…nonexistence.Exactly! After I die, I would not want to remain “alive” or whatever you call it. I don’t want to just exist; I want closure, I guess you can call.
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Blade_and_Blood
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I’m existing, now, and I’m perfectly satisfied with how it’s going so far. The only optimism I have is for my memory to carry on, maybe through my writing. :yup: I have tons of poems and shorts stories.
Even when I am nonexistent, my legacy carries on. So, it’s not complete self-destruction.
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I think what you’re looking for is just peace. The peace of absolutely nothing. If you go to Heaven wanting peace and nothingness, chances are you will get what you want.Exactly! After I die, I would not want to remain “alive” or whatever you call it. I don’t want to just exist; I want closure, I guess you can call.
In fact, other than knowing a bajillion times more than we are capable of comprehending here, Heaven will be a whole lot better than what you call “closure”. Heaven is what we are created for. Okay, at least, to you, it’s the concept of what we are created for. You obviously don’t believe in Heaven, but it theoretically is our “closure”… the point where everything makes perfect sense and is exactly where it’s supposed to be, withouth us wanting or needed anything else. If you think you’ll be getting satisfaction in experiencing nothing, Heaven is infinitely more satisifying.
I’d rather die knowing that everything I went through and experienced on earth had a reason than dying with a gazillion questions on my mind only to experience nonexistence. Which of course, is nonexperience. But hey, I still have the rest of my life to live, as you do, to change my mind about what I want or don’t want. Chances are, if we are right about Heaven, we won’t want it any other way than whatever way it is than when we get there.
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See, if you became nonexistent, so would your short stories and poems. Any memory or photograph becomes that as well. There would be nothing for you to carry on because any trace of you would be nonexistent, as you yourself would be. Nonexistance means exactly that - no traces of existence… ever.I’m existing, now, and I’m perfectly satisfied with how it’s going so far. The only optimism I have is for my memory to carry on, maybe through my writing. :yup: I have tons of poems and shorts stories.
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Veritas248
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How would you know your legacy would carry on if you do not exist? You could just become one of the countless lost in the annals of history.I’m existing, now, and I’m perfectly satisfied with how it’s going so far. The only optimism I have is for my memory to carry on, maybe through my writing. :yup: I have tons of poems and shorts stories.
I really don’t know what to say. You are the first person I’ve met to actually look forward to and anticipate oblivion. Frankly, I cannot wrap my mind around it.
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I’m talking about after death. After I have lived my life, published books, posted poems on my blog, etc. they will be the only thing left. If I were to die now, would all of these posts in this entire forum–typed and submitted by me before death-- would they just disappear? No, they wouldn’t. :ehh:
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phantasm
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It is painfully obvious that we live in a natural world, in a natural universe that is completely void of any supernatural Deity.
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Veritas248
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To you, maybe. I see evidence of the divine all around.
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phantasm
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I was a Roman Catholic until my early 30’s, and no matter how much people around here don’t want to believe this, I was a devout Catholic for nearly the last 6 years.
Looking back, I certainly didn’t have anything figured out and I’m pretty sure that most Catholics don’t have very much figured out either.
The more I educated myself in regards to the faith, the more implausible it all seemed.
I’'m sure I’ll get reported for saying that.
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“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.” - Mark Twain
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No really, think about it. If you became “nonexistant” all of a sudden, then every trace of you would cease to exist. Oh wait, I’m not thinking in purely physical terms, I forgot. You’re thinking in human terms, a purely phyical concept. I guess I can see your point if you didn’t believe we have spirits or souls.
Sure, when you died you wouldn’t exist at all. But to us, nonexistence is more than just the mere dying and decaying and eventual nonextistence of the body. To us, one cannot “unexist” or “nonexist”. If we did, there would be no trace of existence on this earth of any of us. Indeed, if God were to just “poof” one out of existence, we would have no clue that He did so, because all traces of them would be gone, including memories, family, etc…
It’s probably something worth exploring, but since Christians believe God creates us for eternal life, we don’t consider it anything worth exploring. But it would be interesting to hear what different belief systems think of existence and non-existence on a philosophical level.
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Folly. While I respect Twain’s stories, he is way out of line with this one.
Before you were conceived you did not exist. You could have no way of knowing anything, much less how nonexistence could affect you. Besides, nonexistence before conception is not the same as nonexistence after death.
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