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Hi All,

I never understood how God’s incarnation as Jesus to be tortured and executed results in atonement for the sin of Adam and future sins as well. Can someone explain the reasoning behind redemption of sin through the crucification and resurrection?

Best,
Leela
 
To put it in simplistic terms, I guess…
Sin is usually some form of self indulgence.
I guess you could say the antidote is discipline.
And having broken relationship with God by the self-indulgence of sin,
we can’t reinstate ourselves with God. It took God incarnate to do that with suffering and death.
There is sin in this world that would turn our hair white many times over.
The suffering and death of God incarnate was needed to restore to God all who accept His salvation
 
It’s not the first time I’ve posted it but will give you my take on Jesus’ suffering.

Jesus’ dying prayer

Father God, the sky is darkening with the culmination of my human destiny. I can no longer see Your Face! I humbly cry out to You from the depths of my being. I AM Your beloved Son who has accomplished all that You desired of me. I AM only begotten Son of Your divine Essence. You created all things through me. Yet I hang defenceless upon searing metal stakes that bite into my flesh and bone each time that I force upwards to gasp the very air that You created through me.

My torment is scarcely bearable and my mind faints and jolts in horrific awareness with the weakness of my battered, abused body. My body, ruined in its youthful strength, is exposed in degraded despoil. Fevered with dehydration, my eyesight fades, my ears ring, my head throbs, and my tongue swells. My muscles tremble uncontrollably, deeply bruised by the Roman scourgers who smashed metal and jagged bone into every part. My face is swollen and raw; my eyelid split, heavy with pain and blood. Sweat screams saltily in my torn nerves. My joints are dislocated with violent distension. My head can find no ease as the thorns gouge into my scalp with inescapable ache within my brain.

Yet nothing wounds deeper than the torture of love within my being. My heart thunders and rips with the anguish of love. Love is the shuddering gasp of my breath. Love is the dry, harsh voice of thirst that cries out my forgiveness. Love is the blood and life-fluids that drain from me. Love is my strength, my weakness, my hope, my faith and my generosity. Love has been my life and now it is my death. Let love flow from me upon all my brothers and sisters of humankind, to cleanse them from evil and discord. Let love draw them to me, in communion on their cross of redemption.

My Father how I love them, these foolish blind ones who watch me die, and taunt with indifference, lukewarmness and unbelief throughout the centuries. They have not seen and heard although I have fought the powers of evil for them, with persistent prayer and penance, with teaching and example, with humility and powerful truth, and now with my death. I am, for them, a bleeding, suffering testimony of love.

I love them, Father. Forgive them. They cannot understand what they do and fail to do. For my love of them even in my extremity, forgive them. Save them from the pitiless powers of darkness that rule the earth and oppress their lives.

They are my kin. I emptied myself of all glory and lived, witnessed and die—as man—for them. Pity them, for sake of my pity for them. I hold them up to You. My whole being bears the emptiness, darkness, and guilt of humankind’s deepest struggle. I would strive to enlighten them as I have these past years, but now is only time to suffer, to expiate, and to plead for them.

I have been patient with them, Father. With careful repetition and example, I taught them what they must take into their darkened minds for their soul’s redemption and for the nations to which I will send them in Your name. I frequently transcended the natural sequence of events to offer them miracles, so that they would recognise Your power in me, thus be encouraged to believe and to follow Your truth. Yet many only marvelled at spectacle, seeking more.

Father, my throat is bruised and constricted, for grief of the souls for whom I die. They cannot know how terribly wounded I am by their sin, infidelity, hypocrisy, mental blindness and hardness of heart. I am God and I am sinless man—so these things have heinousness and poignancy far beyond their dulled understanding. Nor can they imagine the depth of my love and yearning for each precious one’s everlasting happiness and fulfilment in You.

Father, look upon these Your chosen people from whom You drew my human form. They join with the gentiles to destroy me, for evil howled for my death, and they succumbed.

Now it seems that my mission is lost to evil spirits who believe that they have triumphed over the only Person who could restore Creation and redeem humankind. Yet I shall rise again, because I am eternal Lord of Creation. I am undefeated, for my faith and love is Your reality and victory, You who are divine origin of all that exists. With my rising so shall humankind be raised to You.

Father, I offer You my whole Self, all that I am and have done, with all that You are, to plead for salvation and conversion of souls. I might have refused to become their redemption, yet I accept total immolation. Within it, Father, I hold each person to myself.

In the wounds, the blood, in the tender swelling of broken tissue, in the shuddering of shattered muscle, in the sweat that burns across the clammy dust of earth upon me—within these is written the name of each human soul! Laden with humankind and with the sins and guilt of each, I offer myself to You, Father. As Your divine Son, I implore that You accept this prayer across the length and breadth of time.

Father, my Father, I am crushed! My humanity yearns for release and peace as grief and longing rasps at every fibre of soul, mind, heart and body. Speak in me, Father, out of Your own Being. Pray in me, and accept all suffering love at my torn, bleeding hands.

I am Your own, Your very Self—and these for whom I am living Sacrifice are my sisters and brothers, my kin, flesh of my flesh. Accept all my prayer for them—all ever prayed and suffered by any person in union with me throughout time, all love, atonement and praise from each individual, held up to You in my ruined hands.

Everything You have given to me and to each soul, I return to You, with all that I am, which is of Your nature yet also of my human frailty. So Father, grant the coming of Your Kingdom in the souls of Your people, my own, out of Your great love for me.

Father behold His grief at souls lost to divine life. Mercifully grant the wishes of His heart for each of us whom He calls brother and sister. Behold the infant, the child, the young man who bore the unfolding knowledge of humankind’s redemption! You knew His love, joy, and pain as He lived in ordinary humanity for thirty years. In His goodness He prayed and did penance for strength to live out the Father’s will and our redemption—so now as His own little one I pray for Him and His desires.
 
Christ our Way

Jesus, truly God and truly man, while on earth Your whole humanity remained in harmony with God. Your earthly life determined the possibility of each person’s eternal happiness, for we had lost paradise by our sin and rebellion against God.

Had You not ‘run the race’ [Saint Paul] taking victory over sin and death, no one could follow Your path into Heaven.

In love for fallen humankind, You became one with us through the womb of a good, faith-filled woman. Hidden in humble goodness pleasing to God, You grew from infancy to young manhood, facing human difficulties and choices with prayer, penance and love. You rejected temptation, and with Your choice against sin, You gained our freedom into God and the fulfilment of our destiny if we follow You.

Because our fallen nature sometimes corrupts gifts intended for our welfare and propagation, we follow You with difficulty and conflict. In succumbing to temptation, we pervert our appetites to sinfulness or selfishness, perhaps not wilfully, but no less effectively.

Our yearning for happiness with God is often confused with desire for material, sensual and intellectual satisfactions. In a world where temptation continues to surround us, give us grace to seek our salvation in Your teaching and witness, and in the testimony of Your resurrection.

Jesus, You understand the difficulties that we encounter in trying to be faithful, for although You are eternal God, You lived in our midst as human person. Strengthen our trust in Your Way and Your Truth so that we walk faithfully in Your light.

Bless those who are discouraged by temptation, by growing acceptance of anti-Christian morality and the rise of spiritual apathy or unbelief. Grasp the hand of those who drift from Your side, perhaps unaware, or perhaps in deference to what they see as modernism or moderation.

Jesus, reveal Your love and mercy to all and reach out to anyone who cannot view self as loved child of God with an eternal destiny. For who will cry out to You for self and others, for Your light and grace in this world’s fallen darkness, if Your existence is irrelevant or unreal to them?

We thank You for our redemption, we thank the Father who spared You to us and the divine Spirit of love whom You send us lead us to love and eternal joy. 1981
*“He has put all things under His feet, and made Him, as the ruler of everything, the head of the Church; which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills the whole creation.” *[Ephesians 1:22]

from my journal, 'a handful of wildflowers"]
 
Mystery of Redemption

Holy God, we do not grasp how awesome and incomprehensible are Your truths. We mistake our conceptions regarding You as the essence of the reality that they fail to encapsulate. Human Reason cannot make sense of God becoming subject to obedience, humility, selflessness and suffering, in love for His creatures! Thus, while we seek You, we are required to trust as little children.

We can only suspect a flicker of the magnitude of this God through His Creation of a stunningly vast universe containing massive expanding galaxies in an immensity of space. Yet, God of such greatness, You also create the fragile intricacy of tiny insects and the worlds of microscopic lifeforms in their intrinsic perfection! Holy God, open our minds and hearts to the supreme greatness and the sublime mystery of Your works!

From our tiny planet, so important to us but insignificant amongst the countless orbits of the universe, we dare to say ‘our God’ and ‘our Father’ in contemplating the Creator of all these marvels and capable of unknown wonders inconceivable to us. Perhaps the greatest wonder, however, is the love and mercy You show to Your human creatures on this planet, Earth!

All things are held in being in continuous creation within You. Yet, to our knowledge, only human creatures dare to sin. You require of us a life of charity and justice, of prayer and self-denial, of trust and faithfulness during our earthly existence—in promise of everlasting union with the everlasting I AM WHO AM, which is Yourself. Slow to trust, we are reluctant to accept sacred Your dream and plan for us as individuals and as community. The choice to reject or accept is ours.

The Angels, whom You created before us, also faced a choice to love and honour God or to serve themselves. Two-thirds obeyed God and now dwell with You in glory and delight. To the rebellious remainder, punishment was swift. Doubtless, You gave these glorious creatures generous opportunity to fulfil their radiant destiny!

Perhaps other life forms will, or have, faced such choices, for ‘there are many rooms’ in Your heavenly kingdom. If hidden amongst the planets in the myriad galaxies of Your immense Creation, You should choose to form creatures other than the Angels and humanity, I pray that they will serve You better, and that where they fail, Your mercy will be deep and embracing.

Yet many people habitually accept Your revelations and promises with spasmodic attention or with vague complacency. Before so great a God, the purest human zeal and the highest knowledge and goodness are as nothing. How intense should be our gratitude before the wonder of our relation to You. How great our repentance should be before the arrogance of neglecting our Creator’s laws and astonishing mercy! Holy God please lead us through awareness, repentance and rebirth into continuing spontaneity of response to Your creative love!

So that we in our unworthiness may be saved and made whole, through Your mercy the seeming-impossible occurs. The eternal Son of God enters the limitations of created time and matter. He assumes fully our humanity, while also retaining His infinite divinity. With His humble, obedient life as human being, He bridges the immeasurably vast difference between God and creature for all humankind!

In our disobedience and ingratitude, our God, You have not destroyed us, but have become for us—a defenceless infant…a humble labourer…a man murdered by Your chosen people. You have become for all time, food to be assimilated into the functions of the human body and soul of mere creatures, devout and lukewarm alike. You have become bread to be tabernacled in centuries of neglect before multitudes of unbelievers and of apathetic followers…cherished only by Your true friends. Yet even these have not lived without offence against You, excepting one pure woman, chosen as Mother—for the Son did not enter our nature in resplendence as a magnificent adult. Rather, the Father humbly, through an Angel, sought permission of the sinless young virgin to accept Him as a helpless embryo!

Continued…
 
*Continued, Mystery of Redemption *]

What is this humility, this faith, this patience, this obedience, this compassion that You show us, infinite God! We are proud, stubborn, untrusting and wayward, yet Your mercy remains open to endless human insult, for within time it is always subject to our personal acceptance or rejection.

Repeatedly, You reiterate Your love and mercy in our hearts and through other persons. You reiterate them through Scripture and ministry of the Church, source of grace, sacrament and wisdom established by the Son to fulfil His promise to remain always with us.

Our God, who are You who so loves His ungrateful, ignorant, unworthy creatures! Behold the humility of eternal, infinite God, to love and desire us who are enmeshed in egoism that alienates us from each other and You! We begin to suspect the smallness of our vision, the confusion of our understanding, and the flawed nature of our enthroned Reason, with its inability to cope with these unfathomable, paradoxical truths.

Should we, in contemplating such things, wonder at human suffering! We begin to appreciate Jesus’ warning that unless one becomes as a little child one cannot enter God. We also begin to understand some of the causes of difficulties within our human condition, of the conflicts and miseries of our world, and of the corruption of our society in social and personal injustice and discord.

We may regret or resent these global difficulties and evils, and our personal sufferings. We seek to evade them and to avoid discipline of our sensuality and materialism that bind us from the Spirit of God in our lives. We cling to our bonds although we are created for the freedom of eternal union with You our almighty Creator, despite the redeeming anguish, love, humility and submission of God incarnate in His forging of our bridge to You.

Yet should we not welcome that where You permit, we are tested in faith, labour and suffering to loosen excessive attachment to our limited mortal existence! Our need of You is often diverted into search for material satisfaction that increases our frustration and confirms our failure to love others and You truly.

When we choose against God, we curtail the working of Your grace in our lives. This choice draws disaster upon us in the form of injustice, intolerance, loneliness, immorality and war. If we then resent and blame You, we mock ourselves, because You owe us nothing, but offer all. Should it surprise us that sin brings retribution? Should we wonder why we endure natural disasters, when we betray the Creator of all things?

We are often aggrieved at the suffering of innocents, but answer lies in the racked body of the sinless Saviour. Jesus hangs dying in grief and pain to expiate the offences of all human persons for our eternal salvation. Through Jesus, lead us into childlike faith and cheerful daily acceptance of our vocations with their satisfactions and their difficulties.

Give us the spirit of the child whom You wish each to be as we say, “Here I am. Your will be done in and through me. Through Your Son, lead me beyond myself, beyond all created things, into Your infinite, loving self, in union with the communion of saints.”

Our God, as the consecrated bread is the infinite Son of God, yet is brittle, mutable wafer, so let me be one in You despite my frailty and unworthiness. Great God, Creator of all things, thank You for Your gifts of creation and existence, and for the mercy that restores Creation and eternal blessedness to Your difficult human creatures.

“I* shall cleanse you of all your defilement and all your idols. I shall give you a new heart, and put a new spirit in you…I shall put my spirit in you…You shall be my people and I shall be your God.” *[Ezekiel 36:25-26, 29]

from my “handful of wildflowers” Trishie
 
I hope there is something in that stuff that answers something of your question. Since I’ve given such things thought in the past I post them sometimes in answer, though not always sure which to choose. Quite often people give better answers in a few lines, and I’m sure they will. I often demonstrate rather than explain and am not sure that’s always beneficial.
 
Hi All,

I never understood how God’s incarnation as Jesus to be tortured and executed results in atonement for the sin of Adam and future sins as well. Can someone explain the reasoning behind redemption of sin through the crucification and resurrection?

Best,
Leela
Something important to remember is that God did not HAVE to redeem us in that way. He could have done it just by decreeing it, or any number of other ways. But He chose to do it by becoming man, suffering and dying. As to “how” it effects/results in atonement, there is really only one answer and that is by the power of God because He willed it to have that result.

IMO, it’s a big aid in helping one understand, if you change the question. Instead of asking “how” that way results in atonement, ask ’ “Why” choose that way to redeem us?" ’

I know I’ve read somewhere that if you want to understand the redemption, you have to understand the fall. Just a few ideas to ponder:
  1. Look for correlations between what occurred in the fall and what takes place in the redemption. Why might God have wanted to act so that there would be these correlations?
  2. Did God want His redemption to visibly manifest in some way, what was or was also taking place on a “spirit” level?
  3. What does this manner of redemption reveal to us about God that we might otherwise not know - or not know to the same depth if it had only been verbally stated through a prophet?
 
Something important to remember is that God did not HAVE to redeem us in that way. He could have done it just by decreeing it, or any number of other ways. But He chose to do it by becoming man, suffering and dying. As to “how” it effects/results in atonement, there is really only one answer and that is by the power of God because He willed it to have that result.
So humanity had to murder god to get what they wanted?
 
Hi All,

I never understood how God’s incarnation as Jesus to be tortured and executed results in atonement for the sin of Adam and future sins as well. Can someone explain the reasoning behind redemption of sin through the crucification and resurrection?

Best,
Leela
I’m not a theologian (and I don’t even play the part of TV either), but I know that this question can go “very deep” - well beyond my own understanding. But I’ll take a shot at it. I will say, Leela that you come up with good questions 🙂

God, by definition is infinitely many things - infinitely beautiful for example. But for the sake of this discussion, infinitely just. Just, in this case meaning “there are negative consequences to your negative actions”. That’s point number 1.

Point number 2 is that we (all of humanity) are precious to God, made in his image and likeness. Therefore, any sin against another human is also a sin against God.

Point number 3. Our sins against other humans cause pain and suffering (in one way or another).

Point number 4. Whereas the magnitude of a sin against merely another human might have limited magnitude (no matter how horrific), any sin against God, no matter how trivial it seems is actually infinite since God’s nature is infinite.

Point number 5. Whereas we could theoretically pay back many sins against our neighbor, no sacrifice or offering or “payment” that we humans could come up with is sufficient to pay back a sin against God. That would require an infinite sacrifice/offering/payment which is something we obviously don’t have.

Point number 6. God therefore, being infinite, is the only source of an infinite sacrifice/offering. This is Jesus, who being God, can be a perfect sacrifice, and an infinite sacrifice. An infinite sacrifice is required for the most trivial of our sins against God, but being infinite, can also atone for all of mankind’s sins throughout history.

Point number 7. God created time as part of the Creation / Big Bang. God is therefore outside time, and can simultaneously see all past and future sins.

Point number 8. The resurrection (in my understanding) is more closely tied to “victory over death” than to atonement per-se, but I may be wrong on that.

Point number 9. The ascension is actually tied into the crucifixion in that it represents the second part of sacrifice. The actual death and spilling of blood (passion & crucifixion), is the first part. But it is inadequate by itself. A second part is needed which is the actual offering of the sacrifice to God. After the ascension of Jesus, he is in the heavenly kingdom, eternally offering (remember this is outside of time) as high priest, the gift of his own crucified and tortured body as atonement for all sins past and present.

Bonus point number 10. During the Liturgy of the Eucharist at a Catholic Mass, the participants are made present at the actual last supper, crucifixion, and offering of Jesus body to God the Father.

LATE EDIT: I forgot this point. Adam and Eve, the first humans, were what caused sin to enter the world. Therefore it is appropriate that the one to reconcile us with God must also be human. But “human” isn’t by itself good enough to do that (being non-infinite). So the person to do this must be both human and infinite/God. That’s why God became human to fill this role. It had to be a perfect human (not like Adam) to do it.
 
**The atonement isn’t well understood. We have various notions about why it happened the way it did and we have the NT comments on it of course-as Jesus being the ultimate Passover Lamb for the sins of the world. But it’s not just a mystical/spiritual event transcending our capacity to understand because of the manner in which human nature was involved: the worlds’ attitude towards that which is truly good-and superior to itself-was revealed. In Christ we have perfect beauty, innocence, love, truth-in fact never shying away from truth regardless of the outcome. But in people we possess these virtues to varying degrees; they’re compromised in us- none of us fully aware of, let alone necessarily aspiring towards perfect possession of them. And at the extreme some even use their freedom in such manner as to demonstrate a hatred of them, committing unrestrained acts of evil against others. And even the rest of us may not be as offended by this behavior as we should. What this can tell us is that humans are not where God-where nature-would have us be-as if there’s a separation of sorts within us-an unnatural divorce of man from his own nature.

So we believe that when Jesus arrived here on planet earth, subtly but fully demonstrating perfection to an imperfect world by contrast, it evoked two possible reactions; either humility in light of our own failures and lack of perfection- or pride which desired to hold onto its’ position and refrain from admitting to anything higher or more perfect than itself. Scripture and our faith teach that man hated God without reason. By the original sin man scorned God, mistrusted Him, conceived a distorted image of Him. We can witness this today in ourselves, I believe. It comes through by our choices and attitudes- even teachers of the faith can fail to correctly represent Gods’ nature and will due to this disposition within themselves.

Human beings fail to live up to the standards they were created for. If this isn’t true, it’d be impossible for us to ever be morally wrong in any way and I cannot accept that man is, by nature, meant to be morally irresponsible. So the side of man that wants to hold onto his own way-the side of human nature that rejected God to begin with –rejects Him again in the incarnation where this drama was played out in one little corner of the human universe. But this time God does something different. The human will had been allowed free reign on planet earth-for better or worse -and now it’s even allowed to have its way directly with Him; Jesus suffering and dying at the hands of -because of-the sin the world refuses to let go of. And this event stands as a testimony throughout time to Gods love, mercy, and humility in lowering Himself, the righteous actually laying down His life for the unrighteous. Unless He, through Jesus, had divested Himself of His Godhood He wouldn’t have proven His love and trustworthiness in such a directly meaningful and enduringly intimate way. The light came into the world. Now we can have a living, physical standard-the life and death of Jesus- rather than just talk, against which to contrast and judge the relative perfection or lack of perfection in our lives, and be able to come to see the way our own sin can contribute to killing the perfection and beauty and truth and innocence and love in this universe. And the resurrection confirmed the ultimate triumph of those qualities over the selfish evil that would merely seek to exploit or oppress or negate them. And God was incredibly willing to do this-to demonstrate the heart of one so intensely and ceaselessly in love with humankind.

Theologians tell us the atonement didn’t have to happen the way it did-God could reconcile man to Himself anyway He wished. This particular way left a dramatic and indelible mark on history which serves as a beacon man can navigate towards to find the love he comes to realize is lacking within himself and the world-and in this way the choice still remains his.
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So humanity had to murder god to get what they wanted?
I’m not sure exactly what you’re asking. Men didn’t HAVE to murder Jesus, but they did. God, in His foreknowledge, knew this would occur, but He didn’t make them choose to do it. God did choose to become incarnate at the time when He knew this is what would occur if He made Himself present at that particular place and time in history.

When you say “what they wanted”, are you referring to our being redeemed as what is wanted. If so, it wasn’t “they” who wanted our redemption, it is God who wanted/s our redemption. His great desire is that we will also want it - want it enough to do what is required on our part to attain it.
 
It’s not the first time I’ve posted it but will give you my take on Jesus’ suffering.

Jesus’ dying prayer

Father God, the sky is darkening with the culmination of my human destiny. I can no longer see Your Face! I humbly cry out to You from the depths of my being. I AM Your beloved Son who has accomplished all that You desired of me. I AM only begotten Son of Your divine Essence. You created all things through me. Yet I hang defenceless upon searing metal stakes that bite into my flesh and bone each time that I force upwards to gasp the very air that You created through me…
I’m already perplexed since if Jesus is God then he is talking to himself here, right?
 
I’m already perplexed since if Jesus is God then he is talking to himself here, right?
No, you perhaps don’t yet have an understanding of the Trinity of God.
God is one, yet three divine persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Jesus is fully God who became incarnate, became human as well as God. He is speaking to the Father
 
Maybe one of the Mormons wrote that…
No, the dogma of the Trinity of God is not Mormon but is valid Christian doctrine

Quoting from Catechism of the Catholic Chuurch

253 The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the “consubstantial Trinity”.83 The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God."84 In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), "Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature."85

254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another. "God is one but not solitary."86 “Father”, “Son”, “Holy Spirit” are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son."87 They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."88 The divine Unity is Triune.

255 The divine persons are relative to one another. Because it does not divide the divine unity, the real distinction of the persons from one another resides solely in the relationships which relate them to one another: "In the relational names of the persons the Father is related to the Son, the Son to the Father, and the Holy Spirit to both. While they are called three persons in view of their relations, we believe in one nature or substance."89 Indeed "everything (in them) is one where there is no opposition of relationship."90 "Because of that unity the Father is wholly in the Son and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Son is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Son."91

83 Council of Constantinople II (553): DS 421.
84 Council of Toledo XI (675): DS 530:26.
85 Lateran Council IV (1215): DS 804.
86 Fides Damasi: DS 71.
87 Council of Toledo XI (675): DS 530:25.
88 Lateran Council IV (1215): DS 804.
89 Council of Toledo XI (675): DS 528.
90 Council of Florence (1442): DS 1330.
91 Council of Florence (1442): DS 1331
 
Something important to remember is that God did not HAVE to redeem us in that way. He could have done it just by decreeing it, or any number of other ways. But He chose to do it by becoming man, suffering and dying. As to “how” it effects/results in atonement, there is really only one answer and that is by the power of God because He willed it to have that result.
That sounds like an important point, God could have just forgiven all sins without becoming a human being and getting himself crucified for it. That’s why I can’t see how it is important that he did become a human being, be crucified, and resurrect himself, yet I think it is taught that we have to believe that those events really happened to be forgiven for our sins. Why is believing that important for atonement?
 
No, the dogma of the Trinity of God is not Mormon but is valid Christian doctrine

Quoting from Catechism of the Catholic Chuurch

253 The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the “consubstantial Trinity”.83 The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God."84 In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), "Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature."85

254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another. "God is one but not solitary."86 “Father”, “Son”, “Holy Spirit” are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son."87 They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."88 The divine Unity is Triune.

255 The divine persons are relative to one another. Because it does not divide the divine unity, the real distinction of the persons from one another resides solely in the relationships which relate them to one another: "In the relational names of the persons the Father is related to the Son, the Son to the Father, and the Holy Spirit to both. While they are called three persons in view of their relations, we believe in one nature or substance."89 Indeed "everything (in them) is one where there is no opposition of relationship."90 "Because of that unity the Father is wholly in the Son and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Son is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Son."91
Yeah, I really don’t get it. I guess I won’t be able to understand atonement since I can’t make any sense of the Trinity.
 
Yeah, I really don’t get it. I guess I won’t be able to understand atonement since I can’t make any sense of the Trinity.
It isn’t surprising that anyone should find concepts relating to God difficult. It is through Jesus and scripture that we gain some sense of God, but a worm for instance would have difficulty understanding our thoughts and ways. God is infinitely greater than we are.

*"The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the ‘consubstantial Trinity’. [Council of Constantinople II (553): DS 421.] The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: [Council of Toledo XI (675): DS 530:26.]
254. "The divine persons are really distinct from one another. ‘God is one but not solitary.’ [Fides Damasi: DS 71.] *

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