Attacks from within the Church on the hierarchy - unprecedented?

[FiveLinden]

I’m not trying to personally attack you or belittle your beliefs, but your comment was disheartening. It’s this same indifference and impartiality that allows such liturgical abuses to continue. I’m not implying that your dispassion for such is to say that you’re advocating for its implementation, but there are many who unfortunately share a similar attitude.

They view all masses as equal and to quote a common response on these forums “a mass is a mass”. So some actually see no difference in its celebration, other than the obvious, but they don’t view these misconstrued acts of piety as anything but a perfectly acceptable form of worship.

So long as they receive their host, it doesn’t matter if it comes from the priest at the Tridentine mass or the the one riding in on a hover board, wearing clown makeup and being flanked by liturgical dancers.

Which I think gives me better insight into why you seem “so perplexed” at the sudden spike in faithful Catholics condemning church leadership in such an alarming way.

After all, if you have no views as to the issue of homosexuality, especially from a Catholic perspective, how can you see the errors of it by those who advocate for its place in the Church.

I did not know the comments of a non-believer could be disheartening! I can understand how someone who accepts the so-called ‘natural law’ position most recently advocated by the Pope emeritus could feel about those seeking a more ‘situation ethics’ approach to sexuality. But I see in CM a desire to exaggerate and promote division in the form of a specific attack on Church leadership. This seems to me to be unprecedented from within the Church. The similar language used in the reformation led to schism.

 

[Rob2]

I know individuals have said all sorts of things but has there ever been the development of a significant media attacking the leadership directly, by name, and in such terms?

I don’t know anything about Church Militant @FiveLinden . I assume it’s an American thing .

Since the Fall humankind has been rebellious towards God and the spiritual leaders God has appointed .
In the 1950s we had a parish priest , and some in the parish used their tongues against him in an evil way which created many wounds and division within the community .

We have moved on into a century where the technology of the media has made so much possible . Just take what I am doing now . My grandparents would be flabbergasted at what we can do with these internet machines .

Someone at the other side of the world can make an evil comment about a bishop and within seconds I can be aware of it . Social media like this forum can make us more knowledgeable , not necessarily wiser , about attacks on our spiritual leaders . This can stir the rebelliousness within us , and we can end up joining in the attacks . You just need a few rotten apples to spread decay .

 

[Crusader13]

I did not know the comments of a non-believer could be disheartening! I can understand how someone who accepts the so-called ‘natural law’ position most recently advocated by the Pope emeritus could feel about those seeking a more ‘situation ethics’ approach to sexuality. But I see in CM a desire to exaggerate and promote division in the form of a specific attack on Church leadership. This seems to me to be unprecedented from within the Church. The similar language used in the reformation led to schism.

Ok, now it makes sense. I had no idea you were a nonbeliever. I clicked on your profile to see exactly what you were talking about.

I wish it was an exaggeration. I don’t think anyone wants to acknowledge that corruption has spread to a larger part of the Church than first realized.

 

[TrueRomanCatholic]

People need to simply bow to Mother Church’s iron will. Forget whatever human mindset is critical of her leadership or teachings.

She’s withstood antipopes, demons, Protestantism, and stood strong even when her Holy Spouse was crucified and left this realm.

She is the backbone of our faith and provides us strength when we are weak.

Whoever sits in the chair of Peter is important, but Mother Church is our mother and rises above all this nitty gritty human arguments

 

[FiveLinden]

stood strong even when her Holy Spouse was crucified and left this realm.

Well, biblically speaking it too firm only the second time after he left this realm. He had to come back after the first to get the Church underway.