Attendance for children in kindergarden or preschool

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This is a subject from another thread but deserves it’s own discussion.
How important is it for children to attend preschool and even kindergarden?
What do you think about all day K? What have you experienced with your children with either one? Do you think children are required to do too much academics in K?
Any and all points of view are welcome and let’s discuss this! Did preschool attendance help your children with school? Did you see any benefits for them? Are we starting our children out too early or is preschool just as important as K? Should children be tested for K? What do you think and what have you experienced?
 
I cried everyday before kindergarten, until my mom told me there were just three weeks left. 🙂 I still managed to “adjust” and graduate miss salutatorian by a decimal!

I can’t imagine anything that one would learn in kindergarten or preschool that a parent can’t teach.

Preschool was not yet popular when I was small. School can start as young as three now…soon babies will exit the womb and be taken to be indoctrinated in our civil, American society.
 
I thought I had until my son was five to make the “we’re homeschooling” declaration. Yeah, no. Most of my friends started a Moms morning out or daycare or “preschool” with their kids - at TWO. Ds1 is not even three and I am constantly asked if he is in preschool. It’s ridiculous.
I don’t think preschool is necessary. I don’t think kindy is either, though it’s a good idea if your kids are going to go to school, just to get them used to it. But all day? That’s absurd. They’re babies.
 
I can’t imagine anything that one would learn in kindergarten or preschool that a parent can’t teach.

Preschool was not yet popular when I was small. School can start as young as three now…soon babies will exit the womb and be taken to be indoctrinated in our civil, American society.
All of the above. IMO the hype about preschool and kindergarten is a way to up the employment stats for teachers and also get the kids into the indoctrination pipeline ASAP.
 
Personally, I didn’t send my daughter to kindergarten. I taught her all sorts of things at home and when she entered into the first grade, she was actually WAY ahead of her classmates.

My sisters sent their kids to pre-k and kindergarten and while they learned some songs, colors, shapes, letters, it wasn’t anything they didn’t already know before they went in. It just seemed like it was free daycare for my sisters. 😉 And in the big scheme of things, look at how many years a child will be in school for seven hours a day. I say if a child can stay home with their parent(s) through Pre-K and Kindergarten, that would be ideal!
 
It depends on the child. My older children went to pre-K and kindergarten half day, three x a week to gain social skills, as we live in a rural area without many little ones. Academically it was not that important.
Now for my daughter, she was recently in kindergarten, full time,they were learning what my older kids did in 2nd grade math wise. She was tested before entrance to K. That’s what they do these days. She loves school and is very social so it was a positive thing for her.
 
This is a subject from another thread but deserves it’s own discussion.
How important is it for children to attend preschool and even kindergarden?
What do you think about all day K? What have you experienced with your children with either one? Do you think children are required to do too much academics in K?
Any and all points of view are welcome and let’s discuss this! Did preschool attendance help your children with school? Did you see any benefits for them? Are we starting our children out too early or is preschool just as important as K? Should children be tested for K? What do you think and what have you experienced?
No, these are not necessary for children. All-day kindergarten is hard on many kids, especially ones with birthdays later in the year. I personally would offer a half-day first grade as well, if I had my own school.

You can easily teach your children everything they need to know by 1st grade, at home. Colors, counting up to 20, printing their name, knowing the alphabet, the weather, seasons of the year, animals, shapes, how to tie their own shoes, etc. These are very simple things to teach! No need for all-day schooling! No real need for schooling at all, it’s just that most parents work these days and it’s easier to put the child into school than try to stay home with him/her.
 
Neither of our girls did any pre-school, just entered kindergarten, which was full day, but with naps built in. Their dad’s work schedule is unusual, and it allowed them to be at home mornings with him for one year longer. That was in the mid-late 80s.

Our 19 month old grandson will likely be homeschooled, for a variety of reasons. (I wish there had been more support for this when our girls were little, as I likely would have done it.) He will get “socialization” through play dates, swimming, or another sport. He is already soaking up so much information, just from everyday interactions and reading to him.

I think that preschool for 2-3 year olds is nuts, but that’s just me.
 
The US government is pushing universal preschool as a way of expanding government control over children and the family. There is no credible evidence at all that children benefit from it.
 
In Canada, full day kindergarden means going to school all day Monday, Wednesday and every second Friday or going Tuesday, Thursday and every second Friday. I think that is TOTALLY ridiculous. How can you expect a 5 year old to have a long day every second day ???

I think half day kindergarden is a good idea because it is a consistent routine that is easier on a kid and although kids do not learn anything of academic value, they are in the habit of ‘this is time to listen’, ‘these are toys to be shared’, wait to recess to go to the washroom ETC. I think it would be too much to teach all the unspoken things at the same time as starting to teach academics
 
From what I understand, preschool has positive effects on learning until 7/8 years old then the playing field is evened out and it’s harder to tell who went to preschool and who didn’t. My oldest has been going to preschool since she was 2 1/4, but it started because I had horrible anxiety and zero help from family and couldn’t get a babysitter during the day. She hated it and while it did get better, she still tells me about how she cried. We changed schools when she was 3 and last year and this year have been wonderful for her. She’s just there to have fun and give me a break a few afternoons a week (still no family help or sitter). She is learning and practicing things we learn at home. I agree, I think the only purpose of government preschool is to get them used to the idea that mommy and daddy are not the primary source of information and learning. I had a friend finish a job at a govt run preschool in MN and she was saying that they feed the breakfast for free at school…so basically the parents aren’t responsible for them and the kids have learned to depend on the school for food instead of the parents. All her observations. Scary stuff.

I think K can be a fun experience for the kids, but it’s not necessary if parents are doing their job and teaching their kids. However, it seems like most people in me generation can’t be bothered with that. It’s so weird. So many moms I know are desperate for their kids to go to K so they can go back to work out of want, not need. This my just be the area I’m in though.
 
If you are interested in some research about early childhood education, check out the “Homegrown” books by Raymond and Dorothy Moore. These were written back in the 1980s, and contain the studies of over 7000 children by the Moores, who were reading experts. You can find them online.

Their conclusion is that most children, especially boys, benefit greatly by staying close to home for the first ten years of their lives. Even if the “home-grown children” do not receive any formal teaching from their parents, many of them begin reading anyway spontaneously by the time they are ten years old. It’s really quite amazing to read the Moore’s research.

Socialization of children is best done by letting them spend lots of time with ADULTS, not other children. When you think about it, that makes sense. Adults already know all the “social norms” and they can pass these down to their children. Children, OTOH, know nothing–it’s like the blind leading the blind!

My personal feeling is that pre-school is unnecessary IF the children have a rich home life and parents who are connected with the children and spend most of their day with the children doing various activities, including at least an hour or so of reading aloud. Watching TV all day doesn’t count.

My children skipped pre-school, but we did a lot of activities. I described these in another thread. We took “field trips,” usually to a local business or tourist site, and talked to the people in charge of the site. We did lots of “nature walks.” (I have a biology degree, so I know a bit about nature lore.)

We did “experiments” and “arts and crafts”. Lots and lots of music.

At that time, my husband and I were evangelical Protestant, so we had the children involved in several activities through our church. Both girls spent time in the church nursery while they were very young (birth to age three). At age two, they started Sunday school–our church took the approach that the two and three year olds were the most important people in the church and deserved the very best Sunday school curriculum, so they really did a good job presenting the Bible story, teaching songs and motions, and doing activities like crafts. At age three, both girls were able to start the church club program (we used Pioneer Clubs, which is delightful–not like AWANA at all). And of course, there was the yearly VBS and the yearly missionary conference, both of which were lots of fun for kids.

We lived in a neighborhood with lots of kids, and my daughters had friends that they played with almost everyday. By age three, they were having “sleepovers”.

And we got them involved with ballet and figure skating by the time they were age 3 and 5.
So it’s not like my children stayed home with me and watched me knit! My mother (RIP) once told me that the girls had lived more life by the time they were 12 than most people live in an entire lifetime!

I did put both girls in kindergarten. My older daughter went to K in Raleigh, North Carolina, and at that time, it was full day. She did good with this, mainly because for two hours in the afternoon, the children took a real nap. This was torture for the children who didn’t sleep, but my daughter slept. In fact, at age 29, she still takes a daily nap.

Her K experience in Raleigh was excellent. She already knew how to read, write, and do basic math by the the first day of kindergarten. Before I ever had children, I made a VOW that they would know how to read before I allowed them to start school. You see, I attended NIU, which is a former “normal school,” which means that a lot of elementary and secondary education majors attended that college. I saw many of these future teachers party their way through the school with Cs while I worked my rear off trying to get a high enough GPA to be accepted into a medical technology internship (at that time, we needed a 3.5 GPA, and our required courses were difficult science classes). I was afraid that my daughters would end up in a kindergarten or first grade class with one of those lovely NIU grads who hadn’t really bothered to learn anything excepting how to consume vast quantites of alcohol while they were at college. So I decided to teach my children to read myself, and I did. My apologies to any teachers reading this who DID take college seriously, but I know what I saw at NIU, and it wasn’t impressive.

Anyway, my older daughter is a very social person, and for her, Kindergarten was a great “networking” experience.

We had moved to Northern Illinois by the time my younger daughter was old enough for Kindergarten. Her experience was not nearly as good. She also knew how to read, and she was doing grade school math at age five. For her, kindergarten was boring beyond belief. She had an older woman teacher, who was kind and sweet, but not very ambitious. Also, it was only half day, so it was over before it even got started. My daughter was and still is a very meticulous person who wants to do something thoroughly and finish it, and it drove her nuts to have her activity or work interrupted after only three hours.

Of course, at the time my kids were in grade school, our schools were embroiled in a deseg lawsuit, and everything was a royal mess. By the time my younger daughter was in 2nd grade, we had pulled them out of public schools and they spent the rest of their school days through 12th grade in a private prep school which did tracking and individualized education. We all loved that school.

I think parents need to realistically assess their home life and determine whether their children will benefit more from staying home or going to kindergarten. I don’t think pre-school is ever necessary unless the parents have some kind of situation that prevents them from interacting in an enriching way with their children. Kindergarten–it depends. If it is half-day, I say skip it if you can legally do so in your town.
 
In Canada, my son will be full day junior kindergarten September 2013. This means he will be in school from 9:00 a.m. to 3:10 p.m. Monday to Friday. I am excited for him and I think it will be good for him to socialize and learn. I don’t think it’s a bad thing at all. He is also a December baby, but he is very tall for his age, so he won’t look like the youngest kid in the class 🙂 That will be a social advantage for him.

In Canada, they don’t put any pressure on them in JK…they focus on the social development more than learning to spell, count, etc. In Sr. K. they begin to focus on developing the written language and math skills in preparation for Grade 1.
 
I forgot to mention–my little one did not take the school bus either because there were elementary kids on the bus. My neighbors little one found out about no santa on the school bus in kindergarten.
 
I forgot to mention–my little one did not take the school bus either because there were elementary kids on the bus. My neighbors little one found out about no santa on the school bus in kindergarten.
That’s sad!!!

I would tell my kid that Santa only visits believers. That’s why non-believers don’t get a visit from Santa.
 
I don’t think kindergarten is necessary, however, if parents aren’t going to send their kids to kindergarten, they should be reading with the kids at home, working on writing letters and short words and devoting time to counting games and singing songs. If families do these things at home on a regular basis, then there isn’t really a strong need for kindergarten. Sadly, there are alot of kids who spend the majority of their time watching TV or playing alone, even as a small child. Those who parent that way are not generally the same parents who would consider keeping their child home from kindergarten anyway. On the other hand, kids with disabilities, particularly language disabilities, or student who don’t speak English at home, benefit a great deal from kindergarten and even pre-school. The school at which I work has a large percentage of students who speak another language at home, and they learn English so much easier when they start in pre-school. Many of them do not even have an accent by the time they are in second grade or so.
 
I will be putting my daughter in one-day pre-school next year (at 2.5). She loves being around other kids and I think that having a scheduled ‘with kids’ day will be lots of fun for her. We do get together during the week with other moms/kids but the ages of the kids greatly vary and more often than not she’s not with kids her own age. I would like her to get some experience with that so she’s not always playing with the baby (who can’t do what she can) or the big kids (who do a lot she can’t). Plus, I’m totally looking forward to the two hours a week where I can run an errand without her helping hands. 😃 I’m hopeful that we’ll be able to add another a second child to our family by then so those few hours will (hopefully) be ones that can be spent with just one baby instead of two.

That said, I don’t think preschool is necessary. You can teach your child at home what’s needed to be learned (CatholicIcing.com has a great preschool curriculum to follow) without investing into a ‘school’. However, some places require you to declare homeschooling by Kindergarten, otherwise the child goes to school. Just something to keep in mind.
 
I recall one of my professors telling me that he and his wife were going to home-school their little one ‘back in the day’.
Curious, I asked “Aren’t you worried about socialization?”
“Absolutely”, her replied. " That is why we are homeschooling."😃
Since then, I have had quite a bit more exposure to homeschooling in my area. I’m a fan.👍
 
This is a timely post for our family.

I have three (almost 4 children) ages 5, 3, 1 and due any day.

We just took our 5 year old out of kindergarten and today is the first day that I’m officially homeschooling him!

He went to a lovely Episcopalian preschool for half days 2 - 3 days a week when he was three and four and we loved that little school, but public school kindergarten was just way, way too much time and intensity without actually a whole lot of LEARNING.

Once I determined that it wasn’t doing any of us any good emotionally having him away from the family all day long, I looked at the curriculum and realized I could probably “finish” the kindergarten curriculum with him in a month in far less time in daily work than he was spending at school.

Then I started researching all the amazing options homeschooling parents have in terms of curriculum and praying about it and talking about it with my husband. Then we withdrew him!

I am hoping that a homeschool hybrid program near to us that does 2 days a week in school and 3 days at home with the Mother of Divine Grace curriculum will work out for our family starting in first grade.

I don’t have any qualms about taking him out of kindergarten. I know we will all be so much happier having our young family all together for a little while longer.

One of the clinchers for me was thinking about our new baby. My eldest will be almost 6 years older than that baby. If he was in school all day long for the rest of the schooling years, how well would he know his (so far) littlest brother? Why would we prefer his “friends” to be 18 other same age peers in INSTEAD OF his own siblings? I, of course, want our kids to have friends, but the amount of time taken up by traditional schooling means that it is the primary social group for kids, instead of family. No thanks!
 
We send DD1 to preschool 2 days a week. She’s 2-1/2 and she LOVES it. That being said, she learned her letters and her numbers from us this summer. Colors and shapes she’s learning at school. We also have a baby and I wanted her to have one-on-one time with me just like her sister did. Since our church has a fantastic preschool it was a no-brainer for us to enroll her 🙂
 
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