Attending an Anglican bible study

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To sum up, let’s review your charming and charitable language you claim to have from past posts in this thread:

post 21 your first post: You use “” quotations on Anglicans which is always a sign of sarcasm or a doubt of legitimacy in a forum. You say “”" on membership in an Anglican bible study to denote that it’s lunacy

in post 26 you used no sarcasm. That one was actually not bad. But you invented a non-existent word “variously” which was kind of cute

In post 29 you say 'Catholics do not “learn” (again with the quotation marks) to show that there’s nothing a Protestant could ever do to teach a Catholic. As a Catholic and when I was a Protestant, I always learned a lot from both sides. I feel that I always have room to learn. We learn from everyone?

In post 33 you tell Triune that he is “clearly lacking in understanding” when the guy is clearly a bright, learned, and insightful person with great Biblical depth. Disagreement need not lead to the assumption of stupidity and ignorance toward one’s opponent, right?

In post 40 you make the assumption that anyone who interprets the Scriptures at all somehow appoints themselves “leader” over the Church. An interesting conclusion?

In post 41 you make the strange assertion that Triune is mocking Jesus Christ Himself because he felt that Catholics overuse Matthew 16:18. Again, that’s a stretch…

In post 45 you tell Triune: “Re-read Post # 33. OK - guess you NEED to have it repeated” using caps to be sarcastic and imply he has attention deficit syndrome or is deaf?

In post 49 you start it this way with Triune: “OK, pal.” In my experience, “Ok pal!” is never a real good ice-breaker for civil discourse 😛 You end it with “NOT rocket science. Simple logic” which is pretty sarcastic and cliche

In post 50 you were charming to me as usual ending your post with “Study up” implying I am far beneath your vast knowledge and need to bone up. Nice.

In post 52 you speak of Triune saying this: “I have the distinct impression that he does NOT WANT to understand my words. That is, IMO, his loss, not mine.” That makes no sense? In what way could not understanding your own words be a loss to yourself? Think about that one? I could see the “that’s his loss!” statement. But a loss to yourself? huh?
And why you tell me Triune is my “friend” (again with those pesky quotations) with “”" to denote he’s somehow not really my friend? LOL

In post 58 you speak all out inaccuracy. The Anglican ‘practice’ (by that I assume you mean theology and liturgy?) did not start with Henry VIII. Under Henry the Church of England was basically Catholicism without the pope. Still in Latin, still seven sacraments, still holy water, still rosaries and marian devotion, still the whole nine yards. It was under Edward VI and Elizabeth that the more Protestant aspects and guys like Cranmer, Andrewes, Hooker and company threw in their two cents to move things in the direction you assert

In post 59 you snidely say to Triune: “Do you ABSORB new data???” implying he’s a moron again and you’re trying to educate this poor, pitiful guy who doesn’t have a clue.

In post 60 you said you’d “depart from this thread” only to return again?

In post 90 you were sweet as pie, charitable, kind, and a true Catholic. Love that post! 🙂

In post 125 you were equally kind, charitable, and a truly great example of a Catholic! 🙂

In post 173 you make the most outrageous speculation and assertion of all—that people trying to get to the truth of the Biblical matter, who might have a different point of view than you are “attacking Jesus Himself.” Three letter word for that–WOW…

In post 183 again with those quotes “study” the bible with Protestants. As if the Bible cannot be studied? 🤷

In post 189 you tell non-servium “sorry if that upsets you” assuming it would?

The rest continue the same rhetoric…

I mean this
Any time I need your advice as to how I should speak, think, debate, observe, act or exchange ideas with hostile strangers, I’ll be sure to let you know. You’ve proved to be a very hostile stranger - no one has “attacked” me and my posts more sarcastically than you and as for your teaching skills; I don’t need to learn a thing from you. That I failed to point out your immature personal attacks as they occurred doesn’t mean I didn’t notice them. I simply moved past them. Frankly I don’t think there is a single thing you can teach me other than info re your views and opinions and the fact that you seem to have a very short fuse. I have no spiritual need or personal need to learn another thing re Lutheran ideas or Anglican ideas. I’
 
pulled upward, assumed, ascended, semantics, use whatever term you like Catharina…
Yes, it seems you did.

Christ Our Lord ascended into heaven.
His mother, Mary, was assumed into heaven.

You do recall that** you said Mary ascended into heaven**?
If you can’t recall that, go back and check your own post.
 
I never offered you advice, Catharina. Don’t flatter yourself. 😉 I’m a “hostile stranger?” LOL…I have almost 3,000 posts in CAF since 2007 and just about everybody knows me in here. Stranger? I’m a stranger? That’s a new one!

You didn’t learn a thing from me? Right back at ya, cathy. I did learn that you don’t provide Biblical evidence, you never provide quotes, you never provide data, and you very poorly apologize for Catholic teachings. You scream real loud and bark out Matthew 16:18 real nicely but apart from that you haven’t proven any cases to me either. I provided scriptural references, historical facts, quotes from ECF’s, etc.

How did I “attack” you. Drop the victim mentality, Catharina. I fail to see how any challenge to your view of the world is an attack. I’d also like to know where I had an “immature personal attack.” Again, I’m playing the world’s smallest violin.

Ihave a short fuse? LOL LOL 😛 It’s mirror, mirror time, Catharina. You can actually shout in your posts. Go back and review.

You are most welcome to your views. Bon apetite. I have no spiritual need to hear Matthew 16:18 quoted thirty times either. I know it well. And I know the rest of the Bible, too. **If you’re so vehemently hateful, spiteful, and venemous toward non-Catholics and Protestants, then I suggest you quit coming into the “non-catholics forum?” **That’s like a Giants fan wanting to camp out at Dodger Stadium??

Your mind is closed and made up. Best of luck to ya. Just don’t read Romans, Galatians, Colossians. That’s my recommendation.
This bolded-above is a perfect example of you allowing yourself to get vile and vicious.

I could track back and find other perfect examples of your venom toward me but why would I bore myself with such tripe a second time? If you believe you are all that, then that’s your opinion of you. You are most certainly a stranger to me. Bless you.

Repeating just for you:

I’m a Catholic. I will always reject the errors of Protestantism. It’s a given. Your worldview is not mine. It is not given to me to embrace your ideas. Deo gratias.
 
OK, now that everyone has had a chance to vent, catharina, have you decided if you believe that Apostolic authority is derived from Peter or not?
 
quoting gurneyhalleck1

To sum up, let’s review your charming and charitable language you claim to have from past posts in this thread:

post 21 your first post: You use “” quotations on Anglicans which is always a sign of sarcasm or a doubt of legitimacy in a forum. You say “”" on membership in an Anglican bible study to denote that it’s lunacy

in post 26 you used no sarcasm. That one was actually not bad. But you invented a non-existent word “variously” which was kind of cute

In post 29 you say 'Catholics do not “learn” (again with the quotation marks) to show that there’s nothing a Protestant could ever do to teach a Catholic. As a Catholic and when I was a Protestant, I always learned a lot from both sides. I feel that I always have room to learn. We learn from everyone?

In post 33 you tell Triune that he is “clearly lacking in understanding” when the guy is clearly a bright, learned, and insightful person with great Biblical depth. Disagreement need not lead to the assumption of stupidity and ignorance toward one’s opponent, right?

In post 40 you make the assumption that anyone who interprets the Scriptures at all somehow appoints themselves “leader” over the Church. An interesting conclusion?

In post 41 you make the strange assertion that Triune is mocking Jesus Christ Himself because he felt that Catholics overuse Matthew 16:18. Again, that’s a stretch…

In post 45 you tell Triune: “Re-read Post # 33. OK - guess you NEED to have it repeated” using caps to be sarcastic and imply he has attention deficit syndrome or is deaf?

In post 49 you start it this way with Triune: “OK, pal.” In my experience, “Ok pal!” is never a real good ice-breaker for civil discourse 😛 You end it with “NOT rocket science. Simple logic” which is pretty sarcastic and cliche

In post 50 you were charming to me as usual ending your post with “Study up” implying I am far beneath your vast knowledge and need to bone up. Nice.

In post 52 you speak of Triune saying this: “I have the distinct impression that he does NOT WANT to understand my words. That is, IMO, his loss, not mine.” That makes no sense? In what way could not understanding your own words be a loss to yourself? Think about that one? I could see the “that’s his loss!” statement. But a loss to yourself? huh?
And why you tell me Triune is my “friend” (again with those pesky quotations) with “”" to denote he’s somehow not really my friend? LOL

In post 58 you speak all out inaccuracy. The Anglican ‘practice’ (by that I assume you mean theology and liturgy?) did not start with Henry VIII. Under Henry the Church of England was basically Catholicism without the pope. Still in Latin, still seven sacraments, still holy water, still rosaries and marian devotion, still the whole nine yards. It was under Edward VI and Elizabeth that the more Protestant aspects and guys like Cranmer, Andrewes, Hooker and company threw in their two cents to move things in the direction you assert

In post 59 you snidely say to Triune: “Do you ABSORB new data???” implying he’s a moron again and you’re trying to educate this poor, pitiful guy who doesn’t have a clue.

In post 60 you said you’d “depart from this thread” only to return again?

In post 90 you were sweet as pie, charitable, kind, and a true Catholic. Love that post! 🙂

In post 125 you were equally kind, charitable, and a truly great example of a Catholic! 🙂

In post 173 you make the most outrageous speculation and assertion of all—that people trying to get to the truth of the Biblical matter, who might have a different point of view than you are “attacking Jesus Himself.” Three letter word for that–WOW…

In post 183 again with those quotes “study” the bible with Protestants. As if the Bible cannot be studied? 🤷

In post 189 you tell non-servium “sorry if that upsets you” assuming it would?

The rest continue the same rhetoric…

I mean this
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**My goodness, gurney. You obsess much?**
 
pulled upward, assumed, ascended, semantics, use whatever term you like Catharina…
See, fella, it’s not semantics.
It’s Catholic doctrine.
In describing a Catholic teaching, I use Catholic doctrinal terms.
Completely logical - at least for any Catholic.
 
pulled upward, assumed, ascended, semantics, use whatever term you like Catharina…
well, ascension implied Jesus’s ascension, he goes up to heaven by himself. As for Mary, she was unable to do so, and was assumed into heaven (by God’s will and not her own ability).

So, there are some differences in the terms used.

In any case, why isn’t this ‘fight’ over yet? both are probably guilty of the sin of pride because of personal insistance of being correct and the other party is at fault.🤷
 
OK, now that everyone has had a chance to vent, catharina, have you decided if you believe that Apostolic authority is derived from Peter or not?
I answered you in Post 192.
I don’t plan to repeat myself again.

You grasp it or you don’t grasp it.
 
well, ascension implied Jesus’s ascension, he goes up to heaven by himself. As for Mary, she was unable to do so, and was assumed into heaven (by God’s will and not her own ability).

So, there are some differences in the terms used.

In any case, why isn’t this ‘fight’ over yet? both are probably guilty of the sin of pride because of personal insistance of being correct and the other party is at fault.🤷
It is not pride to defend the Catholic Faith, it’s a duty.

As you said, GH used a term that means something else entirely in Catholic Teaching.
I did my level best to point that out to him. Maybe reading your post, he’ll see the point.
 
So, my fellow Christians, I must retire for the night (I hope).
God bless all of you with His grace and loving kindness.
 
I answered you in Post 192.
I don’t plan to repeat myself again.

You grasp it or you don’t grasp it.
Since you again point to an answer that doesn’t actually respond to my question, I’ll have to take that as a lack of understanding on your part regarding the subject of Apostolic authority and its origin and discount your future replies on the topic since your comment in post 187 was not consistent with Catholic teaching on the subject as found in the CCC.
 
well, ascension implied Jesus’s ascension, he goes up to heaven by himself. As for Mary, she was unable to do so, and was assumed into heaven (by God’s will and not her own ability).

So, there are some differences in the terms used.

In any case, why isn’t this ‘fight’ over yet? both are probably guilty of the sin of pride because of personal insistance of being correct and the other party is at fault.🤷
Who are you doughnut? Are you Catholic?
 
Since you again point to an answer that doesn’t actually respond to my question, I’ll have to take that as a lack of understanding on your part regarding the subject of Apostolic authority and its origin and discount your future replies on the topic since your comment in post 187 was not consistent with Catholic teaching on the subject as found in the CCC.
Do as you wish, of course.
If you can’t understand the correlation, so be it.
 
Do as you wish, of course.
If you can’t understand the correlation, so be it.
Here is a reputable Catholic source to help you understand the difference between actual Catholic teaching on the nature of Apostolic authority and from whence it is derived and what you shared with us in post 187.

Hopefully you’ll be able to benefit from this.

newadvent.org/cathen/01626c.htm
 
It is not pride to defend the Catholic Faith, it’s a duty.

As you said, GH used a term that means something else entirely in Catholic Teaching.
I did my level best to point that out to him. Maybe reading your post, he’ll see the point.
I don’t mean to discredit you in any way in my post…I apologize if I sounded rude to say that; but it has reached a point that it seemed to me nobody will stop till one gets recognised to be correct all along; and in this ‘moment of anger’ (and self-pride usually tend to be the chief factor in this)

I doubt he knew the difference, hence when you point it out to him, he thinks you were just being ‘nit-picking’; and read your post in the entirely wrong way. i just think that when one step back a little, and simply try to see it from another person’s point of view as much as possible, then a common understanding might be reached more easily - yes, you are right in defending the faith, but if one took the manners of *“you idiot just how many times do i have to explain this simple logic to you?” * It does carry a tone of superiority, and hence not easily received. Just because someone does it to you doesn’t mean you need to stoop to his level.

Then again, this might be due to my bias views, and it seemed this way to me.
 
Who are you doughnut? Are you Catholic?
well since you asked, yeah, im catholic, abeit one of the several variations of catholic in this whole world (which certainly comes in more varieties and flavors than all the doughnuts put together), so im not sure if my answer will actually lead you closer to the accessment of my person.

but if the question was posed merely for curiosity, then i’d answered your question.😃
 
well since you asked, yeah, im catholic, abeit one of the several variations of catholic in this whole world (which certainly comes in more varieties and flavors than all the doughnuts put together), so im not sure if my answer will actually lead you closer to the accessment of my person.

but if the question was posed merely for curiosity, then i’d answered your question.😃
It is strange that anyone can understand anything correctly about Mary in Catholicism, so I just need to ask. 🙂

Does your flavor goes well with Brazilian coffee? 😉

Anyway, glad to hear it. God bless you and don’t forget to spare me one of those. I like mine with my Brazilian, funny though as it is.
 
It is strange that anyone can understand anything correctly about Mary in Catholicism, so I just need to ask. 🙂

Does your flavor goes well with Brazilian coffee? 😉

Anyway, glad to hear it. God bless you and don’t forget to spare me one of those. I like mine with my Brazilian, funny though as it is.
im not sure ~ i dont remember ever having brazillian coffee…then again i dont drink coffee daily either - usually it’s tea (either chinese or japanese)
 
I don’t mean to discredit you in any way in my post…I apologize if I sounded rude to say that; but it has reached a point that it seemed to me nobody will stop till one gets recognised to be correct all along; and in this ‘moment of anger’ (and self-pride usually tend to be the chief factor in this)

I doubt he knew the difference, hence when you point it out to him, he thinks you were just being ‘nit-picking’; and read your post in the entirely wrong way. i just think that when one step back a little, and simply try to see it from another person’s point of view as much as possible, then a common understanding might be reached more easily - yes, you are right in defending the faith, but if one took the manners of ***“you idiot just how many times do i have to explain this simple logic to you?” *** It does carry a tone of superiority, and hence not easily received. Just because someone does it to you doesn’t mean you need to stoop to his level.
Then again, this might be due to my bias views, and it seemed this way to me.
Bolded above -
never would I say something like that.
Probably wouldn’t even think it -
but yes, definitely I do get very tired of repeating myself.

Thanks for the apology.
Having lies shoved at me over and over -
it’s a wonder that I didn’t get truly insulting.
He didn’t “get” it? Yes, I noticed that - when, at long last, he made it obvious.
 
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