Attn: All Muslims - What do you think of Fr. Zakaria Botros Coptic Priest?

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Just curious as to whether or not any Muslims on this site have see Fr. Botros show or heard about him. I’ve heard he is a great Apologist and has many Imams speechless and unable to respond because he sites all of his sources and is very knowledgable.
Wondering what you all think or what opinions, if any, you have formed about him and what he’s said?
 
Yes indeed he is well known in the Alhayat TV station, he can be watched over the Internet at this address:
lifetv.tv

He shows lots of contradictions within Islam itself, and between Islam & the other religions.

The problem that he & Alhayat station are targeted by Islamic countries, the Islamic countries used their political power once to cut Alhayat broadcast signals through NileSat satellite, and many Muslims have threaten to kill him, even Muslims in Egypt are suing him infront of the Egyptian courts for saying publicly on TV that “Muhammed, the son of whom he is?”, he relied on some Islamic historical books and hadithes to conclude that Muhammed was born after 4 years of his father death :eek:, more details in this link:
romanos.150m.com/nasab_mo7amad.htm
 
Just curious as to whether or not any Muslims on this site have see Fr. Botros show or heard about him. I’ve heard he is a great Apologist and has many Imams speechless and unable to respond because he sites all of his sources and is very knowledgable.
Wondering what you all think or what opinions, if any, you have formed about him and what he’s said?
I have seen him. Not much but i have any way. he doesn’t bring anything new to me , just another Islam hater and Christian evangelist. They are all over paltalk in arabic language if you dont know, with voice chat and everything.

Muslims dont need Tv to look top Cristian appologists. We have Youtube and we have this site that we chat on . In many muslim countries Christian literature is widely available for muslims to purchase. In My country egypt ( where Zakaria come from) You can go to the Holy Book Bookshop in the Center of cairo or to the Christian section of the cairo bookfair in january and you can buy video tapes opr audio lectures about christianity. Muslims pass them by with no problem ( and not much interest i have to say ).

i hateto burst yiour buble , but what most christians keep telling each other about revoloutionary missionaries that will crack the muslim code is more of self comfort than truth.

But i should see the guy more, just to keep updated on the latest fashion in islam bashing

best regards,

a muslim
 
I do watch him…as Sam says, he documents each and every word from Islamic sources, things that too many Muslims might not even be aware they exist in their traditions, even the ex-Muslims who broadcast with him…
 
I have seen him. Not much but i have any way. he doesn’t bring anything new to me , just another Islam hater and Christian evangelist. They are all over paltalk in arabic language if you dont know, with voice chat and everything.

Muslims dont need Tv to look top Cristian appologists. We have Youtube and we have this site that we chat on . In many muslim countries Christian literature is widely available for muslims to purchase. In My country egypt ( where Zakaria come from) You can go to the Holy Book Bookshop in the Center of cairo or to the Christian section of the cairo bookfair in january and you can buy video tapes opr audio lectures about christianity. Muslims pass them by with no problem ( and not much interest i have to say ).

i hateto burst yiour buble , but what most christians keep telling each other about revoloutionary missionaries that will crack the muslim code is more of self comfort than truth.

But i should see the guy more, just to keep updated on the latest fashion in islam bashing

best regards,

a muslim
I’ve never see or heard him before, but I have recently heard of him and what he does.

So you see him as an Islam Basher. I didn’t know. I thought based on what I’d heard that he took all of his sources from authentic Islamic Teaching while citing each source.

The last thing we need from any religion is “bashing” of another religion. My apologies.
 
I’ve never see or heard him before, but I have recently heard of him and what he does.

So you see him as an Islam Basher. I didn’t know. I thought based on what I’d heard that he took all of his sources from authentic Islamic Teaching while citing each source.

The last thing we need from any religion is “bashing” of another religion. My apologies.
Hello,

Thanks for your reply. No need for appologies. There are worse islam bashers than him. But the exotic thing about him for western audience is that he is arab, which implies that he might know somthing from inside that others in the west dont .

after i replied to yu above i went to you tube and looked at one of his lectures. he was calling islam names and mocking islam and muslims . Fine. But he didnt bring me any challenge really.

Islam bashing doesnt help christianity. It makes christians sadly look like hatemongers. Muslims didnt have a church really , and we didnt have our martin luther to get us from the injustice of the church. Along islamic history Islam was the outlet of the opressed and the last resort for the people whom injustice was done to. Muslims understand islam is conservative and demanding. But they like it because it is fair and answers their questions.

to summerize, Islam is sufficient , sensible and joy bringing for muslims who know their faith. It is hard to begin with to convince muslims with somthing other than islam in a nioce way. It becomes impossible when you mock them and insult them.

As an Egyptian , a compatriot to the man myself dont really think he makes any differences . he just makes the coptic egyptian look bad sadly.

In Egypt the skyline consist of mosques and churches. If one o them goes Egypt wont be Egypt that i know . i am Egyptian muslim and have 4 neighbours in my building who are copts. They are the best neighbours i have . And i love to see their spring festivals like easter and stuff. They hold palm tree leaves and dress in their finest. Its a pleaasent site .

Peace be to you and to your loved ones

meedo
 
I’ve never see or heard him before, but I have recently heard of him and what he does.

So you see him as an Islam Basher. I didn’t know. I thought based on what I’d heard that he took all of his sources from authentic Islamic Teaching while citing each source.

The last thing we need from any religion is “bashing” of another religion. My apologies.
You can quote sources andmis represent what they mean. It isnt the first time somebody does it to Islam. The devil is in the details.

salam
 
Hello,

Thanks for your reply. No need for appologies. There are worse islam bashers than him. But the exotic thing about him for western audience is that he is arab, which implies that he might know somthing from inside that others in the west dont .

after i replied to yu above i went to you tube and looked at one of his lectures. he was calling islam names and mocking islam and muslims . Fine. But he didnt bring me any challenge really.

Islam bashing doesnt help christianity. It makes christians sadly look like hatemongers. Muslims didnt have a church really , and we didnt have our martin luther to get us from the injustice of the church. Along islamic history Islam was the outlet of the opressed and the last resort for the people whom injustice was done to. Muslims understand islam is conservative and demanding. But they like it because it is fair and answers their questions.

to summerize, Islam is sufficient , sensible and joy bringing for muslims who know their faith. It is hard to begin with to convince muslims with somthing other than islam in a nioce way. It becomes impossible when you mock them and insult them.

As an Egyptian , a compatriot to the man myself dont really think he makes any differences . he just makes the coptic egyptian look bad sadly.

In Egypt the skyline consist of mosques and churches. If one o them goes Egypt wont be Egypt that i know . i am Egyptian muslim and have 4 neighbours in my building who are copts. They are the best neighbours i have . And i love to see their spring festivals like easter and stuff. They hold palm tree leaves and dress in their finest. Its a pleaasent site .

Peace be to you and to your loved ones

meedo
We have some family friends who are, now American, originally Egyptian Copts. They have Church about once a month and have to drive for more than 3 hours to get there. I agree with you, they are wonderful people.
They do not have any hate, but they have told me of scarey stories of what life was like being a Christian in Egypt.
They experienced friends and family members who various things happen to, such as, often when they have a baby, the Birth Certificate would be misprinted that the child was Muslim, not Christian and they have to fight for years to try to get it corrected. Others who in a certain Women’s Clothing Store in Cairo who where changing in the Dressing Room (teenage girls) were video taped and threated to become a Muslim or the videos would be put out over the internet bringing shame to their families, Copt Priest’s wives have been known to be kidnapped and forced to marry into Islam and not allowed to every see their family members again, Mentally Handicapped persons told to say the words (I can’t remember the phrase exactly, something like: There is only One God, Allah and Mohammed is his prophet) which causes one to become a Muslim and then the Mentally Handicapped person’s family are told they can not longer see him because he is now a Muslim, etc.
Do you live in Egypt now? Have you ever seen or heard of these types of things happening to your Coptic neighbors or their friends or relatives?
Bless you Meedo
 
We have some family friends who are, now American, originally Egyptian Copts. They have Church about once a month and have to drive for more than 3 hours to get there.

Between me and the nearest church is 9 minutes walk. The next church is 10 minutes drive. Some places there are 5 minutes walk between churches and some there is 20 minutes drive… I live in Cairo the Capital so i dont know if your friend comes from teh country side . It really depend where he is. To drive three hours to reach a church in Egypt mean that your friend is living in the middle of the desert. If you can ask him abouyt the city and l,ocate it on the map exactly you can for yourself judge if his claim is true or not.

I agree with you, they are wonderful people.
They do not have any hate,
Most of them are wonderful people , some of them do have hate, just like most muslims are wonderful people but some of them have hate

but they have told me of scarey stories of what life was like being a Christian in Egypt.
They experienced friends and family members who various things happen to, such as, often when they have a baby, the Birth Certificate would be misprinted that the child was Muslim, not Christian and they have to fight for years to try to get it corrected.
I never heared of that but it could happen. Egyoptian state system is C.r.a.p muslis and christians alike suffer from the state. We have comic stories about people trying to prove they arent deceased! infront of a berucratic government employee because on paper they are deceased for some reason. Egypt is not computerised and handwriting and human errors occure so much in humungus size paper records stacked till the roof. Its somthing all Egyptians suffer from . It can happen sadly. The longer years are also a mark of egypotian government systems. court cases take sometimes 20 years to finish ( yes you read right, 20 years!!)

Others who in a certain Women’s Clothing Store in Cairo who where changing in the Dressing Room (teenage girls) were video taped and threated to become a Muslim or the videos would be put out over the internet bringing shame to their families,
i never heared of this or read about it any where. and it is not even a sensible way to convince someone of bieng muslim. It is insulting because it makes muslims look stupid. I am a religious muslim. Tell me what would i gain by blackmailing you into ‘‘saying’’ you are muslim?🤷

Copt Priest’s wives have been known to be kidnapped and forced to marry into Islam and not allowed to every see their family members again, No , but sadly its a true incident of a wife of a prominent coptic priest declared she is becoming a muslim. The coptic community was in rage about her . and kept pressuring the Egyptian government untill the state security police delivered her to the coptic church . from the day she gone to the church nobody ever heared of her again . It is actually the opposite that happened a lady who decided she wanted to become muslim was forced to go to the church or else copts would cry that they are persecuted. It is an example for every muslim in Egypt that how we are in a muslim country that if it comes to a certain level of preists in Coptic community the state police prefers rto appease them than tolet freedom of religion.

The lady’s name is Wafaa Kostantine .

Listen , Copts are religious. They are probably more religious than american christians. But many sadly also dont necessarily would accept the notions that you are defending here if it is applied to them. every copt converts to islam for them is kidnapped and forced . Even if this copt decares willingly that they wanted to be muslim they will say that they were under brainwash. The discussion ends as word against word. Western people who dont know muslims and never been and lived in Egypt fopr example are prone to be decieved.

Mentally Handicapped persons told to say the words (I can’t remember the phrase exactly, something like: There is only One God, Allah and Mohammed is his prophet) which causes one to become a Muslim and then the Mentally Handicapped person’s family are told they can not longer see him because he is now a Muslim, etc.

again , this is using western ignorance of islam . Listen, we are proud people of our fith and we are happy with it. We are confident with it. We are human like you . We dont take pride in forcing handikapped people to accepting somthing they dont want. The above goes totally aainst all what islam teached. First it is forbidden in our faith to force someone to accept it. This ismentioned clearly in the uran. 2nd there is no where in islam that says that muslims shouldnt see or visit or even have fun and go to picnics with their non muslim relatives

I am an Egyptian citizen and i am a cairo resident. I have never seen or heared any of this at least for the copts around me or the copts that i know. We help each other whenever the other needs help . as i told you Egypt wouldnt be Egypt if we dont see in the skyline Churches and mosques togeather.
Bless you Meedo
Please dont forget to ask your friend to give you the location of his villiage on the map. so we can verify it togeather on this thread.

BTW there are more churches in Egypt alone that there are mosques in the whole continent of Europe.

Bless you too and your loved ones.
 
Please dont forget to ask your friend to give you the location of his villiage on the map. so we can verify it togeather on this thread. QUOTE]

Sorry for the confusion…now that they are living in the States, they have to drive 3+ hours to Church. They used to live in Cairo and most of their family still does. As far as which part of Cairo, I don’t know.
 
I have seen him. Not much but i have any way. he doesn’t bring anything new to me , just another Islam hater and Christian evangelist. They are all over paltalk in arabic language if you dont know, with voice chat and everything.

Muslims dont need Tv to look top Cristian appologists. We have Youtube and we have this site that we chat on . In many muslim countries Christian literature is widely available for muslims to purchase. In My country egypt ( where Zakaria come from) You can go to the Holy Book Bookshop in the Center of cairo or to the Christian section of the cairo bookfair in january and you can buy video tapes opr audio lectures about christianity. Muslims pass them by with no problem ( and not much interest i have to say ).

i hateto burst yiour buble , but what most christians keep telling each other about revoloutionary missionaries that will crack the muslim code is more of self comfort than truth.

But i should see the guy more, just to keep updated on the latest fashion in islam bashing

best regards,

a muslim
 
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