Attributing Eucharistic miracles to the devil

[porthos11]

Okay, here’s a new one. There are those who would admit that Eucharistic miracles are truly inexplicable, but are the work of the devil, rather than of God, obviously performed to deceive the Catholics into worshipping the piece of bread, and therefore end up in hell.

Again, I declare my unswerving belief in the Real Presence of Christ in the Blessed Eucharist.

But what’s a good debunk to such an accusation? Such people are in danger of the “unforgivable” sin, IMHO, but how can we let them know that?

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

I see an interesting parallel here.Jesus was accused of casting out demons by the power of the devil too.Ever noticed all the false accusations railed against us, most is not all accuse us of pagonism or diabolic involement,but throught 2000 years we have done what Jesus instructed,including exorcism.They have specials on the discovery channel about those things and people possessed or harrassed by the demonic try to get their pastors to help and end up having to go to the Catholics Why?Because Jesus gave His Church the marching orders.Back to the miracles,it is an evil generation that ask for signs,well most of us don’t ask for signs we know He is God and can do as He pleases.The Eucharistic miracles are a gift to the faithful and also a call to believe again for those who have stopped believing or have been mislead by protestants or atheists.They are accusing what is from God,as being from the devil,to me it looks like not much has changed in that department and I would remind them of that.God Bless

 

[Jimmy_B]

porthos11:

But what’s a good debunk to such an accusation? Such people

John 6:35-58****

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35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst.

36 But I told you that although you have seen (me), you do not believe.

37 Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and I will not reject anyone who comes to me,

38 because I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me.

39 And this is the will of the one who sent me, that I should not lose anything of what he gave me, but that I should raise it (on) the last day.

40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I shall raise him (on) the last day."

41 The Jews murmured about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven,”

42 and they said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph? Do we not know his father and mother? Then how can he say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?”

43 Jesus answered and said to them, "Stop murmuring among yourselves.

44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day.

45 It is written in the prophets: ‘They shall all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me.

46 Not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God; he has seen the Father.

47 Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.

48 I am the bread of life.

49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died;

50 this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.

51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world."

52 The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”

53 Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.

56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

57 Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.

58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever."

 

[Darrel]

porthos11:

Okay, here’s a new one. There are those who would admit that Eucharistic miracles are truly inexplicable, but are the work of the devil, rather than of God, obviously performed to deceive the Catholics into worshipping the piece of bread, and therefore end up in hell.

Again, I declare my unswerving belief in the Real Presence of Christ in the Blessed Eucharist.

But what’s a good debunk to such an accusation? Such people are in danger of the “unforgivable” sin, IMHO, but how can we let them know that?

I used to wonder this myself as a protestant. They can never be convinced if they are loyal to the idea that they are being true to Christ by not believing in the Eucharist.

It is a huge deception in the world that really equates to ‘be loyal to Christ by not being loyal to Christ in the Eucharist’. They truly believe that the Eucharist is of the devil they just don’t come right out and say it. If God had not shown me himself I can promise you that no human being could convince me it was real.

I have a real soft spot for Protestants they do what they do and say what they say out of loyalty to Christ. The thing they don’t understand is that the same Christ is the Eucharist and they are deceived. They have Christianity just like Catholics do yet they are limited in what they receive. The only way to convince them is to show them that the Eucharist is not an idol being used in idolatry. I didnt discover Christ in the Eucharist I recognised Christ in the Eucharist.

-D

 

[Cherub]

porthos11:

Okay, here’s a new one. There are those who would admit that Eucharistic miracles are truly inexplicable, but are the work of the devil, rather than of God, obviously performed to deceive the Catholics into worshipping the piece of bread, and therefore end up in hell.

I don’t believe it is possible for one to be deceived into worshipping a false god or the devil. If you think it is Christ you are worshipping, it is Christ you serve. The only way it would be idol worship is if a person knew full well it was not the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ – and already accepted that it was just a golden calf like the one the people of Israel crafted while Moses was on the mountain, or accepted that it was a bleeding piece of bread placed by Satan, and still adored it.

 

[puzzleannie]

porthos11:

Okay, here’s a new one. There are those who would admit that Eucharistic miracles are truly inexplicable, but are the work of the devil, rather than of God, obviously performed to deceive the Catholics into worshipping the piece of bread, and therefore end up in hell.

Again, I declare my unswerving belief in the Real Presence of Christ in the Blessed Eucharist.

But what’s a good debunk to such an accusation? Such people are in danger of the “unforgivable” sin, IMHO, but how can we let them know that?

as Jesus said to his accusers who said he did miracles by the power of Satan, “a house divided against itself cannot stand. If I drive out demons by the power of Satan, by what power do you yourselves drive out demons?”
The Church, the Body of Christ cannot work against itself, its Head or its own members and still stand, because it is protected against doing so by the Holy Spirit, we have Christ’s personal assurance of that fact. It is the authority of Christ mediated through the Church He founded that perpetuates His sacrifice of Holy Thursday and Good Friday on earth, and it is Christ’s Body and Blood we adore in the Eucharist, so there can be no conflict. If a person denies the reality of the entire chapter John 6 he denies the entire reality of Christ and his saving mission.

No Catholic should base his belief in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist on so-called bleeding hosts and other Eucharistic miracles, even one to which you are an eye-witness, but on the actions, words and promises of Christ Himself. Genuine Eucharistic miracles are a gift to those who believe, not an extra carrot to lure non-believers.

 

[porthos11]

Hi guys,

Thanks for the replies. PLease lemme add on. Jimmy Akin recently mentioned that the devil doesn’t have the power to perform such miracles. This would be such an assurance.

Anyone agree or disagree and why?

 

[Mickey]

It’s very simple. Some people go to extraordinary measures to refute the real presence. They refute scriptural proof by twisting scripture. They refute Sacred Tradition by denying it’s validity. But when God performs an irrefutable miracle to reinforce the faith of the faithful, there is only one response from the unbelievers. They say it is from the devil. This the only “out” that they have.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Cherub:

I don’t believe it is possible for one to be deceived into worshipping a false god or the devil. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Cherub, I believe you need to rethink this comment. Satan is the one called the GREAT DECIEVER. Just look at all the people around you. Many people are decieved by making money their god. Others worship gods that fit their lifestyle. The DECIEVER is doing a wonderful job.Let us not be decieved ourselves. God Bless

 

[MariaG]

posted by Cherub

I don’t believe it is possible for one to be deceived into worshipping a false god or the devil. If you think it is Christ you are worshipping, it is Christ you serve.

I agree wtih Spokenword. The Bible does tell us that those who teach false doctrines will come along. Many have already been deceived. It tells us that if someone points and says look the Messiah, Run the other way because when Christ comes again noone will have to tell you He is here.

But, Spokenword, who came along? Did Catholics come along, or every other denomination? Who was there first and who came along and deceived the followers of Christ?(Obviously Satan did but whom did he work through?)

God Bless,
Maria

 

[Jimmy_B]

puzzleannie:

as Jesus said to his accusers who said he did miracles by the power of Satan, “a house divided against itself cannot stand. If I drive out demons by the power of Satan, by what power do you yourselves drive out demons?”

The Church, the Body of Christ cannot work against itself, its Head or its own members and still stand, because it is protected against doing so by the Holy Spirit, we have Christ’s personal assurance of that fact. It is the authority of Christ mediated through the Church He founded that perpetuates His sacrifice of Holy Thursday and Good Friday on earth, and it is Christ’s Body and Blood we adore in the Eucharist, so there can be no conflict. If a person denies the reality of the entire chapter John 6 he denies the entire reality of Christ and his saving mission.

No Catholic should base his belief in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist on so-called bleeding hosts and other Eucharistic miracles, even one to which you are an eye-witness, but on the actions, words and promises of Christ Himself. Genuine Eucharistic miracles are a gift to those who believe, not an extra carrot to lure non-believers.

as Jesus said to his accusers who said he did miracles by the power of Satan, “a house divided against itself cannot stand. If I drive out demons by the power of Satan, by what power do you yourselves drive out demons?”

Great point, apparently challenging Jesus isn’t something new.

 

[ccrmwright]

It occurs to me that:
1- The devil cannot create. If he could, he would be God. Since he cannot, how could he create flesh out of bread.
2- If the devil is God’s enemy, why would he create a miracle that draws people closer to God? Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

 

[Baloo]

Mark 3:22-30:

22 The scribes who had come from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,”* and “By the prince of demons he drives out demons."

23Summoning them, he began to speak to them in parables, “How can Satan drive out Satan?

24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

25 And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.

26 And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand; that is the end of him.

27 But no one can enter a strong man’s house to plunder his property unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can plunder his house.

28 Amen, I say to you, all sins and all blasphemies that people utter will be forgiven them.l

29 But whoever blasphemes against the holy Spirit* will never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an everlasting sin.”

30 For they had said, “He has an unclean spirit.”

 

[Randy_Carson]

Okay, here’s a new one. There are those who would admit that Eucharistic miracles are truly inexplicable, but are the work of the devil, rather than of God, obviously performed to deceive the Catholics into worshipping the piece of bread, and therefore end up in hell.

Again, I declare my unswerving belief in the Real Presence of Christ in the Blessed Eucharist.

But what’s a good debunk to such an accusation? Such people are in danger of the “unforgivable” sin, IMHO, but how can we let them know that?

Mark 3:25-27
New International Version (NIV)
25 If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27 In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house.

 

[porthos11]

goodness, this thread is almost a decade old.

 

[ericc]

Okay, here’s a new one. There are those who would admit that Eucharistic miracles are truly inexplicable, but are the work of the devil, rather than of God, obviously performed to deceive the Catholics into worshipping the piece of bread, and therefore end up in hell.

Again, I declare my unswerving belief in the Real Presence of Christ in the Blessed Eucharist.

But what’s a good debunk to such an accusation? Such people are in danger of the “unforgivable” sin, IMHO, but how can we let them know that?

And how would those that claim it it is the work of the devil, know that it is? The devil told them or they are one themselves? They have privileged information which they got from…(fill in the blank)???