Augustana Catholic Church

[KjetilK]

I am guessing they don’t accept the FC where it states the pope is the antichrist.

You can rely on that. According to their website, they affirm “the primacy of the Roman Pontiff and the teachings of the Magisterium,” “the Ecumenical Councils through Vatican II,” “the Unaltered Augsburg Confession,” “Luther’s Large Catechism (in so far as it agrees with the Magisterium),” “the thirty-nine Articles of Religion, as interpreted by John Henry Cardinal Newman,” and “The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC).”

At the old webiste - of the Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church - they explicitly and loudly rejected the Formula of Concord in its entirety.

 

[Peter_J]

Well, I guess they’ve done something right, considering how much attention they’ve garnered. (Well, on CA anyhow. )

 

[LutheranScholar]

Well, I guess they’ve done something right, considering how much attention they’ve garnered. (Well, on CA anyhow. )

True. I was inspired by the success of the Anglican Catholic Church thread. I was curious to see if the Lutherans had any sort of equivalent. Apparently, while the Anglican Catholics are emphatic on their preservation of the doctrine and structure of the Early Church of England, they no longer consider the See of Canterbury as validly part of the Anglican Communion. I wanted to know if the Augustana Catholic Church had come to a somewhat similar conclusion regarding the Lutheran bodies ( that they’d gotten soft on the Confessions and that the Augustana Church would take a harder line in their interpretations). To quote my father: " not bloody likely!" Hey, you live, you learn.

 

[GKC]

True. I was inspired by the success of the Anglican Catholic Church thread. I was curious to see if the Lutherans had any sort of equivalent. Apparently, while the Anglican Catholics are emphatic on their preservation of the doctrine and structure of the Early Church of England, they no longer consider the See of Canterbury as validly part of the Anglican Communion. I wanted to know if the Augustana Catholic Church had come to a somewhat similar conclusion regarding the Lutheran bodies ( that they’d gotten soft on the Confessions and that the Augustana Church would take a harder line in their interpretations). To quote my father: " not bloody likely!" Hey, you live, you learn.

I know of no Anglicans who think Cantuar is not a part of the Anglican Communion, whatever else they may think of the See, or its occupant, from time to time. Perhaps I misunderstand the assertion.

GKC

 

[LutheranScholar]

I know of no Anglicans who think Cantuar is not a part of the Anglican Communion, whatever else they may think of the See, or its occupant, from time to time. Perhaps I misunderstand the assertion.

GKC

stmaryaccakron.com/affirmation/

The Continuation of Communion with Canterbury
We affirm our continued relations of communion with the See of Canterbury and all faithful parts of the Anglican Communion. [Note: Because of the action of General Synod of the Church of England, Parliament, and the Royal Assent, the College of Bishops of the Anglican Catholic Church is obliged no longer to count the See of Canterbury as a faithful part of the Anglican Communion.]

I thought this was fairly clear.

 

[GKC]

stmaryaccakron.com/affirmation/

The Continuation of Communion with Canterbury
We affirm our continued relations of communion with the See of Canterbury and all faithful parts of the Anglican Communion. [Note: Because of the action of General Synod of the Church of England, Parliament, and the Royal Assent, the College of Bishops of the Anglican Catholic Church is obliged no longer to count the See of Canterbury as a faithful part of the Anglican Communion.]

I thought this was fairly clear.

No, not so clear. It’s Anglicanism, after all. I think the point is the faithful part. Portions of the Communion are in impaired communion with other portions. But I know of no one who thinks the See of Canterbury is not a part of the Anglican Communion.

Oddly enough, the Anglican Catholic Church is not an official part of the Anglican Communion.They are Continuing Anglicans. Precisely in what since the ACC is in “continued communion” with *Cantuar *I could not say.

GKC

 

[LutheranScholar]

True. I was inspired by the success of the Anglican Catholic Church thread. I was curious to see if the Lutherans had any sort of equivalent. Apparently, while the Anglican Catholics are emphatic on their preservation of the doctrine and structure of the Early Church of England, they no longer consider the See of Canterbury as*** validly ***part of the Anglican Communion. I wanted to know if the Augustana Catholic Church had come to a somewhat similar conclusion regarding the Lutheran bodies ( that they’d gotten soft on the Confessions and that the Augustana Church would take a harder line in their interpretations). To quote my father: " not bloody likely!" Hey, you live, you learn.

That really gets into Anglican hermeneutics that a fledgling Lutheran like myself ( only been since I was officially received by reaffirmation of faith in February 28, 2013) is honestly unqualified to address. Whether something some may consider invalid may remain in a union, however shaky, with a certain party or parties, somehow, is only something an Anglican compatriot can say and of course, I make the ( very tentative indeed) assumption that what one Anglican may declare fervently and forcefully to be true might be decried as some Anglicans as totally false, other Anglicans as " sort of, kind of, perhaps, but with ( either a few or several) qualifying conditions," still other Anglicans might agree mildly and maybe one or two hold the same position even more forcefully than the person who made the statement in the first place. That, of course, was simply one small part of one official statement that many laity may perhaps ( ?) be in disagreement with.

 

[GKC]

That really gets into Anglican hermeneutics that a fledgling Lutheran like myself ( only been since I was officially received by reaffirmation of faith in February 28, 2013) is honestly unqualified to address. Whether something some may consider invalid may remain in a union, however shaky, with a certain party or parties, somehow, is only something an Anglican compatriot can say and of course, I make the ( very tentative indeed) assumption that what one Anglican may declare fervently and forcefully to be true might be decried as some Anglicans as totally false, other Anglicans as " sort of, kind of, perhaps, but with ( either a few or several) qualifying conditions," still other Anglicans might agree mildly and maybe one or two hold the same position even more forcefully than the person who made the statement in the first place. That, of course, was simply one small part of one official statement that many laity may perhaps ( ?) be in disagreement with.

I’m not surprised. Some years back I had a very similar discussion with someone, on this topic. Be assured, one may be an Anglican entity (Church), in the official worldwide Anglican Communion, and be in full communion with the other entities (which are all autocephelous Churches) in the Communion, or be in partial or impaired communion with other such member Churches in the Communion. And such Churches in the Anglican Communion may likewise be in various types of communion with Anglican Churches not in the Anglican Communion (say, in the Continuum, or elsewhere).

And that cited statement is, whatever it might be intended to be, a statement of the ACC. Other Anglican Churches in the Continuum might agree, or might express it differently.

Regardless, no one doubts that Cantuar/CoE/Canterbury are definitely members of the official Anglican Communion. For what that’s worth.

GKC

 

[Peter_J]

I think the point is the faithful part.

That was my reading of it too.

Precisely in what since the ACC is in “continued communion” with *Cantuar *I could not say.

GKC

Was that “since” supposed to be “sense”?

 

[GKC]

That was my reading of it too.

Was that “since” supposed to be “sense”?

Indeed. I often overlook the rule of order for morning posting. It’s Coffee/Type/Read/Post, not Type/Post/Read/Coffee. Can run you right past the deadline for corrections, if you do it incorrectly.

GKC

 

[LutheranScholar]

Indeed. I often overlook the rule of order for morning posting. It’s Coffee/Type/Read/Post, not Type/Post/Read/Coffee. Can run you right past the deadline for corrections, if you do it incorrectly.

GKC

Very wise. After Divine Service, going out to lunch and then dessert afterwards ( I have generous parents), I’m just settling down to my first cuppa now…

 

[GKC]

Very wise. After Divine Service, going out to lunch and then dessert afterwards ( I have generous parents), I’m just settling down to my first cuppa now…

Bound to work better. But remember the essential sequence:type/read/post. Coffee can only do so much.

GKC

 

[Peter_J]

Indeed. I often overlook the rule of order for morning posting. It’s Coffee/Type/Read/Post, not Type/Post/Read/Coffee. Can run you right past the deadline for corrections, if you do it incorrectly.

GKC

That one was interesting in that it changed the very structure of the sentence (I.e.

Precisely in what – since the ACC is in “continued communion” with Cantuar – I could not say.

)

 

[GKC]

That one was interesting in that it changed the very structure of the sentence (I.e. )

Eats shoot and leaves.

GKC

 

[Peter_J]

 

[GKC]

Sometimes, even my typos are expressive. Of something.

GKC

 

[LutheranScholar]

Sometimes, even my typos are expressive. Of something.

GKC

Very philosophical. My compliments.

 

[GKC]

Very philosophical. My compliments.

Gratefully accepted.

GKC