Augustine, Aquinas, and and Orthodox Theology?

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St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas are generally the two figures who loom large in the Western theological (and philosophical) mind of the Catholic Church.

Given the critical importance to the intellectual history of our Church, i’ve always wondered what exactly our Eastern Orthodox brethren thought of them. What i’ve encountered is a gigantic “bandwidth” of opinion ranging from rather conciliatory accounts to outright accusations of heresy and theological folly.

My mind is reeling, and i have to ask the question if anyone might clarify just what is found to be objectionable in the theological ponderings of either saint and to whom does the Orthodox Churches turn to in setting up their alternative theology?
 
St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas are generally the two figures who loom large in the Western theological (and philosophical) mind of the Catholic Church.

Given the critical importance to the intellectual history of our Church, i’ve always wondered what exactly our Eastern Orthodox brethren thought of them. What i’ve encountered is a gigantic “bandwidth” of opinion ranging from rather conciliatory accounts to outright accusations of heresy and theological folly.

My mind is reeling, and i have to ask the question if anyone might clarify just what is found to be objectionable in the theological ponderings of either saint and to whom does the Orthodox Churches turn to in setting up their alternative theology?
The Orthodox have serious issues with Augustine’s doctine of Grace and predestination. But they will recognize some good things about Augustine though and do call him as saint.

Aquinas I think is more irrelevant to the Orthodox. He just doesn’t matter to them. They might say that he was heretical on certain points but he is irrelevant.

They follow the Greek fathers including Athanasius, Cyril, the Capadocians, Maximus, John of Damascus and several others.
 
St. Augustine is recognized as a saint, however he hasn’t added much to the theology, mostly because at the time he was around in the West, there were many more in the East. As with all Church Fathers, he is not considered infallible, but his basic message is considered correct.

Aquinas is not considered a saint, and many of his teachings, from the little I’ve studied him, seem to run counter to Orthodoxy. As the poster above me stated, feelings toward him range from irrelevent, to outright condemnation as a heretic.
 
There is a tendency in Western Christianity (Catholic or Protestant) to minimalism–to reduce things to their bare essentials.

One example of this is the emphasis placed on St. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas, to the exclusion of other fathers, except as far as they can support those two.

The usual Orthodox attitude is that St. Augustine, while a saint of the Church, is merely one among many. He taught imprecisely on some points. We reject his errors, but we embrace the saint.

Some Orthodox have called Aquinas the most useful of the Western doctors, except his error about the Holy Spirit. But these are a minority.
 
There is a tendency in Western Christianity (Catholic or Protestant) to minimalism–to reduce things to their bare essentials.

One example of this is the emphasis placed on St. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas, to the exclusion of other fathers, except as far as they can support those two.
I don’t think this is a sign of minimalism necessarily. For the Latin Church, Augustine proved to be the most important father because he wrote way more then any other Latin father. Now a days, of course, the Latins should enjoy the richness of the Greeks, Copts, and Syrians since there are plenty of vernacular translations around to read.

Also, I beleive Aquinas had some popularity in the late middle ages among the Orthodox, at least for a short time. Patriarch Grennadios wrote a commentary on the Summa so I’ve been told.
 
they only follow the greek fathers
The Orthodox have serious issues with Augustine’s doctine of Grace and predestination. But they will recognize some good things about Augustine though and do call him as saint.

Aquinas I think is more irrelevant to the Orthodox. He just doesn’t matter to them. They might say that he was heretical on certain points but he is irrelevant.

They follow the Greek fathers including Athanasius, Cyril, the Capadocians, Maximus, John of Damascus and several others.
 
they only follow the greek fathers
I think you will find that not to be the case. The Eastern Orthodox hold many early Latin Fathers in high respect, like Irenaeus, Leo the Great, Gregory the Great, John Cassian, and Benedict. I have even seen some Orthodox refer to St. Bernard as the last Orthodox Latin Father.

Aside from Latin Fathers, the Eastern Orthodox also follow the Syrian Fathers as well (Ephraim, Issac of Syria).
 
they only follow the greek fathers
No, there is a great love for Sts. Ephrem and Aphrahat from the Syriac Church and Sts. Ambrose, Gregory the Great and probably others from the Latin Church. But there general construction is according to Greek thought. The Cappadocians, Cyril of Alexandria, Maximus the Confessor, and John of Damascus are the theologians who have been most essential to their faith and it is the thought process of these great saints that comes through in the later Orthodox saints. The writings of the Latin saints might be read but they aren’t as central to their thought.
 
St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas are generally the two figures who loom large in the Western theological (and philosophical) mind of the Catholic Church.

Given the critical importance to the intellectual history of our Church, i’ve always wondered what exactly our Eastern Orthodox brethren thought of them. What i’ve encountered is a gigantic “bandwidth” of opinion ranging from rather conciliatory accounts to outright accusations of heresy and theological folly.

My mind is reeling, and i have to ask the question if anyone might clarify just what is found to be objectionable in the theological ponderings of either saint and to whom does the Orthodox Churches turn to in setting up their alternative theology?
I believe that the only work that someone should read by Augustine is his Retractions which he wrote later in life where he “retracted” some of what he’d written earlier as well as clarified some of what he’d written earlier in his life. Like Origen, some of what he wrote was Orthodox and some was not, like his teaching on Original Sin - that all the human race is guilty or to be blamed for the sinful actions of Adam and Eve.

As far as Thomas Aquinas some of his works reflected Orthodoxy, like his denial of Mary being Immaculately Conceived, and some was not. In this work against the Greek Church - the title escapes me at the moment, Thomas Aquinas relied heavily on documents which have proven to be complete frauds - so his conclusions based on those frauds could not possibly have been accurate.

The Orthodox Church has not “set up an alternative theology”, but has maintained the same Theology handed down to her.

Orthodox look to the 7 Ecumencial Councils and to the consensus of the entire Church Fathers and the Saints, not just 1 person from the 5th century and 1 person from the 13th century as you say that the West has done by relying on Augustine and Thomas Aquinas. We don’t find our Theologians in schools with head knowledge, but through out the centuries we find Theology in our Monasteries, particularly on Mt. Athos and in the deserts.

A famous quote, which I don’t recall word for word: “He who prays truly is a theologian. He is a theologian who prays truly.”

Orthodox Monastics speak/teach theology from what they have personally experienced by the uncreated grace of God. They have actually been visually transformed by the Light of Uncreated Grace. In Orthodoxy, we have been led in Orthodox (“Right Belief”) Theology by Saints like: St. Ignatius who literally was found by those who killed him with the Jesus Prayer written in gold on his heart, St. Mary of Egypt who even walked on water, St. John Klimakus who wrote the Ladder of Divine Ascent, Symeon the New Theologian, etc. Basically, the Orthodox Church’s theology based on prayerful experience of the whole Church.
 
they only follow the greek fathers
You must either have forgotten or didn’t know about:

St. Anthony the Roman who’s parents during the time of the Great Schism maintain the Orthodox Faith and passed it on to their son - he lived on a rock surrounded by the sea for over a year when it broke loose and took him to Novgorod in Rus where he was welcomed as a holy man and he had a church built and dedicated to the Theotokos - he was a Wonder/Miracle Worker

St. Macarius the Roman who around the time of the Reformation was converted to the Orthodox Faith through much prayer and the study of the Holy Scriptures and the patristic writings. He gave away all he had, dressed as a pilgrim and wandered until he reached Novgorod in Norther Russia. Over his new cell appeared a fiery pillar at times & sometimes a fragrant cloud.

There are also other Western Saints recognized in Orthodoxy.
 
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