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Alex337
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Friend, I’m not getting into this. I’ve seen your posts elsewhere before they were deleted. I don’t see any reason to discuss with you.
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OsculeturMeOsculo
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That’s because you don’t have any good answers. I really didn’t say or do anything that was racist.
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theCardinalbird
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Did you not hear me when I said some people had to become slaves in order to save themselves from starving?
I have to go to sleep I am continuing this tomorrow
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OsculeturMeOsculo
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Your posts also vanished and if you want you can give a paraphrased example of something racist I supposedly said.
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Alex337
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So again; slavery is relatively less bad than starving, so that makes it okay.Alex337:
Did you not hear me when I said some people had to become slaves in order to save themselves from starving?
I have to go to sleep I am continuing this tomorrow
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OsculeturMeOsculo
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I guess if it saves a life and brings joy it can according to your logic.
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Theo2
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That is not a deterrent. You are treating the wrong doer after he/she does wrong. I want them to not do wrong in the first place.
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Alex337
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From all I’ve seen it doesn’t seem to work. And even just personally I find the prospect of gaol or a fine more of a deterrent.
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Thorolfr
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The quote comes from Kyle Harper, Slavery in the Late Roman World, AD 275-425 (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2011), page 230, quoting Augustine’s Enarrationes in Psalmos which can be found in Corpus christianorum, series Latina (Turnhout, 1953-), Vol. 40: 1464-6. Here is the Latin:
“Servumque ipsum tuum, si male viventem videris, non poena aliqua, non verberibus refrenabis? fiat hoc, fiat : admittit deus, imo reprehendit, si no fiat ; sed animo dilectionis fac : non animo ultionis.”
You can find it here, in number 14:
http://www.augustinus.it/latino/esposizioni_salmi/esposizione_salmo_124_testo.htm
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Arkansan
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Correlation does not demonstrate causation.
It does not surprise me that children who misbehave more are more likely to get spanked.
It does not surprise me that children who misbehave more are more likely to get spanked.
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AlNg
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How many Christians held young female slaves as their mistresses. Even famous American politicians had black female slaves as mistresses. IMHO, it is wrong for Christians or anyone really, to buy, sell or keep young black female slaves as there is always the possibility that these defenseless young ladies could be used as mistresses against their will. I would not trust the guarantee of a white Christian slavemaster. Who would prosecute him anyway?
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Alex337
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Actually it’s normally just folk like you who expressed ideas regarding “races beginning extinct” because of people marrying outside of their race. That white genocide rubbish is decidedly racist nonsense.
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Arkansan
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Define racism.
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AlNg
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Who was that ? What was the time and the place when this event occurred?
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neophyte
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This is a classic case of talking out of your rear end. You have no idea what happened or how it affected me. But sure - jump to idiotic conclusions based on nothing but ignorance-fueled pop psychology.
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Alex337
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Actually I linked one of the studies. This was a big thing we studied in education and the full effects of hitting children is getting to be better known. Over all it only seems to harm.Alex337:
This is a classic case of talking out of your rear end. You have no idea what happened or how it affected me. But sure - jump to conclusions based on nothing but ignorance-fueled pop psychology.
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neophyte
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Actually, you didn’t. What you did was link an article that has no link to any actual study whatsoever, and that doesn’t support your claim.
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Alex337
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Yes it does. Maybe we’re looking at two different pages? Bedtime for me though.Alex337:
Actually, you didn’t. What you did was link an article that has no link to any actual study whatsoever, and that doesn’t support your claim.
Controversial opinion of the night: maybe don’t hit children
Here’s a quote from the link with a study in it:
“A study published last year in Child Abuse and Neglect revealed an intergenerational cycle of violence in homes where physical punishment was used.”
The italics bit is the title.
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theCardinalbird
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Here’s the explanation about slavery and Christianity and how it was viewed in ANCIENT TIMES
Christianity found slavery in possession throughout the Roman world; and when Christianity obtained power it could not and did not attempt summarily to abolish the institution. From the beginning, however, the Church exerted a steady powerful pressure for the immediate amelioration of the condition of the individual slave, and for the ultimate abolition of a system which, even in its mildest form, could with difficulty be reconciled with the spirit of the Gospel and the doctrine that all men are brothers in that Divine sonship which knows no distinction of bond and free. From the beginning the Christian moralist did not condemn slavery as in se, or essentially, against the natural law or natural justice. The fact that slavery, tempered with many humane restrictions, was permitted under the Mosaic law would have sufficed to prevent the institution from being condemned by Christian teachers as absolutely immoral. They, following the example of St. Paul implicitly accept slavery as not in itself incompatible with the Christian Law. The apostle counsels slaves to obey their masters, and to bear with their condition patiently. This estimate of slavery continued to prevail till it became fixed in the systematized ethical teaching of the schools; and so it remained without any conspicuous modification till towards the end of the eighteenth century. We may take as representative de Lugo’s statement of the chief argument offered in proof of the thesis that slavery, apart from all abuses, is not in itself contrary to the natural law. “Slavery consists in this, that a man is obliged, for his whole life, to devote his labor and services to a master. Now as anybody may justly bind himself, for the sake of some anticipated reward, to give his entire services to a master for a year, and he would in justice be bound to fulfil this contract, why may not he bind himself in like manner for a longer period, even for his entire lifetime, an obligation which would constitute slavery?” (De Justitia et Jure, disp. VI, sec. 2. no. 14.)
It must be observed that the defense of what may be termed theoretical slavery was by no means intended to be a justification of slavery as it existed historically, with all its attendant, and almost inevitably attendant, abuses, disregarding the natural rights of the slave and entailing pernicious consequences on the character of the slave-holding class, as well as on society in general. Concurrently with the affirmation that slavery is not against the natural law, the moralists specify what are the natural inviolable rights of the slave, and the corresponding duties of the owner.
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