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henrikhank
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let’s discuss Catholic Mysticism. Some Swamis say that AUM is the Word of God mentioned in the Gospel of St John. What do Catholicism think about it?
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Hecares
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Catholics don’t buy it. We don’t agree with much in Eastern mysticism because it is directed inward to self rather than to God.
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henrikhank
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what do you mean? and many catholic seem to love ZenCatholics don’t buy it. We don’t agree with much in Eastern mysticism because it is directed inward to self rather than to God.
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Sufjon
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Hi henrikhank: Are you referring to Paramahansa Yogananda? To the best of my recollection he was the one who wrote the most about that, although there have been lots of others. Just curious.let’s discuss Catholic Mysticism. Some Swamis say that AUM is the Word of God mentioned in the Gospel of St John. What do Catholicism think about it?
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henrikhank
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he is one of them.Hi henrikhank: Are you referring to Paramahansa Yogananda? To the best of my recollection he was the one who wrote the most about that, although there have been lots of others. Just curious.
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In christianity I think there is too little written on the Word of God and how it actually sounds like. Please talk about it
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Oldtimer_7
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One of the sources of such mystic practices in Christianity is a method of reading called “Lectio Divina.” One of the practices is to focus on the essence of a reading, maybe a sentence, or a phrase, or even a word. This is similar to the way that a personal mantra like AUM (or OMM, as an alternate spelling) is derived. Just because we have a familiarity with Christianity does not diminish the richness and inclusiveness of its traditions. That familiarity sadly makes us lazy and we look at it with jaded eyes, expecting only to see what we have seen before, rather than the new and surprising things that are there.
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Ahimsa
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Aum. Amen.
Hmmm…
Hmmm…
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dzheremi
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What do you mean “hmmm”? “Amen” comes from Hebrew, which is Semitic (Afro-Asiatic), while “Aum” apparently comes from Sanskrit, which is Indo-Aryan (Indo-European). They’re not genetically related. You’re looking at a coincidence.
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Ahimsa
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And where did Afro-Asiatic get the general Afro-Asiatic form of “amen” (whatever that might be exactly; Arabic is “amin”)?What do you mean “hmmm”? “Amen” comes from Hebrew, which is Semitic (Afro-Asiatic), while “Aum” apparently comes from Sanskrit, which is Indo-Aryan (Indo-European). They’re not genetically related. You’re looking at a coincidence.
And how did the ancestors of the Sanskrit-speakers get to define the Word that underlies Creation as “aum”?
I’m not talking about necessarily any direct, historical or linguistic links between Afro-Asiatic and Indo-European (though I believe all languages are ultimately linked together). I’m referring to the possibility that the reason Afro-Asiatic speakers defined amen/amin to have such spiritual significance, might be the same reason Sanskrit-speakers similarly defined “aum”: because both Afro-Asiatic-speaking ancestors, and Sanskrit-speaking ancestors, were in contact with the Primordial Word of God (via meditation, contemplation, revelation, etc.), expressed via some sort of “am” or “aum” sound.
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dzheremi
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What do you mean “where”? It comes from the West Semitic root '-m-n “to be firm, confirmed, reliable, faithful, have faith believe” (American Heritage Dictionary, 4th ed., 2006, Appendix II “Semitic roots”). Since Indo-European languages don’t even have the same method of word formation, again, what you are looking at is to be considered a coincidence until proven otherwise.
The Semitic word for “God” according to the same source comes from '-l, from which we get various Hebrew forms (ilah is listed as the “extended Central Semitic form”, with all the Arabic-derived terms related after it), so you won’t find a common source for “God” among the Indo-Europeans and Semites, either.
The Semitic word for “God” according to the same source comes from '-l, from which we get various Hebrew forms (ilah is listed as the “extended Central Semitic form”, with all the Arabic-derived terms related after it), so you won’t find a common source for “God” among the Indo-Europeans and Semites, either.
And where did Afro-Asiatic get the general Afro-Asiatic form of “amen” (whatever that might be exactly; Arabic is “amin”)?
And how did the ancestors of the Sanskrit-speakers get to define the Word that underlies Creation as “aum”?
I’m not talking about necessarily any direct, historical or linguistic links between Afro-Asiatic and Indo-European (though I believe all languages are ultimately linked together). I’m referring to the possibility that the reason Afro-Asiatic speakers defined amen/amin to have such spiritual significance, might be the same reason Sanskrit-speakers similarly defined “aum”: because both Afro-Asiatic-speaking ancestors, and Sanskrit-speaking ancestors, were in contact with the Primordial Word of God (via meditation, contemplation, revelation, etc.), expressed via some sort of “am” or “aum” sound.
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Ahimsa
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‘God’ is a complex idea, so there probably won’t be any obvious Afro-Asiatic//Semitic connection regarding their respective words for ‘God’.The Semitic word for “God” according to the same source comes from '-l, from which we get various Hebrew forms (ilah is listed as the “extended Central Semitic form”, with all the Arabic-derived terms related after it), so you won’t find a common source for “God” among the Indo-Europeans and Semites, either.
The idea of ‘God’ would have to broken down, if we want to find connections. One of the root meanings of ‘-l’, from what I’ve read, is ‘power’.
But numerals are much more easier to use as a basis for comparison. The number one, for instance, is a pretty simple idea (especially when compared to ‘God’), and a comparison of Afroasiatic and IndoEuropean reveals some interesting similarities, particularly when you compare number one, two, and three. In Hebrew, ‘one’ is ‘echad’. In Sanskrit, it is ‘eka’; and these similarities appear also in the reconstructed Proto-Afroasiatic and Proto-IndoEuropean.
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henrikhank
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look at this sanskrit hebrew - Google Search but don’t go too much off topicWhat do you mean “hmmm”? “Amen” comes from Hebrew, which is Semitic (Afro-Asiatic), while “Aum” apparently comes from Sanskrit, which is Indo-Aryan (Indo-European). They’re not genetically related. You’re looking at a coincidence.
I always that thought that the connection between AUM and AMEN that people talk about is a bit weird although there is a connection. In Abrahamic religions many prayers end with AMEN but in Hinduism AUM is more use in beginning of prayers although some prayers end with AUM shantih. AUM is used in meditation but I have never heard of anyone chanting AMEN when meditating. So they are not used in the exact same way.
When singing AMEN in Latin after Per ipsum especially in Novus Ordo you really feelthis meditative silence. I think A and M is very meditative so it is very human use these sounds when praying. so there is a connection, I believe, but not as people think.
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henrikhank
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how is lectio divina connected to AUM?One of the sources of such mystic practices in Christianity is a method of reading called “Lectio Divina.” One of the practices is to focus on the essence of a reading, maybe a sentence, or a phrase, or even a word. This is similar to the way that a personal mantra like AUM (or OMM, as an alternate spelling) is derived. Just because we have a familiarity with Christianity does not diminish the richness and inclusiveness of its traditions. That familiarity sadly makes us lazy and we look at it with jaded eyes, expecting only to see what we have seen before, rather than the new and surprising things that are there.
look at this google.se/search?client=opera&rls=sv&q=sanskrit+hebrew&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest but don’t go too much off topicWhat do you mean “hmmm”? “Amen” comes from Hebrew, which is Semitic (Afro-Asiatic), while “Aum” apparently comes from Sanskrit, which is Indo-Aryan (Indo-European). They’re not genetically related. You’re looking at a coincidence.
I always that thought that the connection between AUM and AMEN that people talk about is a bit weird although there is a connection. In Abrahamic religions many prayers end with AMEN but in Hinduism AUM is more use in beginning of prayers although some prayers end with AUM shantih. AUM is used in meditation but I have never heard of anyone chanting AMEN when meditating. So they are not used in the exact same way.
When singing AMEN in Latin after Per ipsum especially in Novus Ordo you really feelthis meditative silence. I think A and M is very meditative so it is very human use these sounds when praying. so there is a connection, I believe, but not as people think.
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