Australia Married priests

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The Holy Spirit is guiding Australia’s church towards female ordination?

I can just imagine if US dioceses invited everybody to get together, discuss issues and make suggestions. Seriously this sounds like the type of thing that went on in the 1970s in USA. I’m not sure it ended all that well. Maybe it’s different in Australia.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
I believe Pope Francis asked the Brazilian bishops to consider a similar proposal to allow married priests in remote parts of the Amazon where they were having trouble getting priests.
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The economics of the remote parts of the Amazon aren’t equipped to deal with married priests.
 
I was imagining something like Protestant missionary couples where the two of them live in a hut off the local produce. Mrs. Priest could probably make herself useful all day doing chores and teaching women’s Bible study while Mr. Priest was priesting.
 
The Church should do whatever is necessary to keep priests in the Church, especially in remote areas of the world where priests are hard to find.
I really see nothing wrong with priests marrying and having a family.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
I can just imagine if US dioceses invited everybody to get together, discuss issues and make suggestions.
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If that is what Bishops under the guidance of the Magisterium ask, it’s what any country does in preparation for a Plenary Council.

The last one in Australia was in the1930s.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Plenary Councils of Baltimore - Wikipedia

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This Australian Plenary Council is about LISTENING to the Holy Spirit.

Was USA listening to the leadership and guidance of the Holy Spirit in the 1970s.?
 
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Here is a letter calling for a Plenary Council to be allowed in USA in 2002

Library : Letter Calling for Plenary Council for US Church

Letter Calling for Plenary Council for US Church The lay editors of Crisis magazine have released the full text of a dramatic letter in which a group of US bishops propose a Plenary Council for the Church in America. The bishops' letter, dated July 17, has been quietly circulated to all members...
www.catholicculture.org www.catholicculture.org

And here is a little Q & A on what a Plenary Council is.

www.catholicweekly.com.au

Q&A with Fr John Flader: What is a Plenary Council?

The last such gathering in this country took place in 1937, before most of us were born.
www.catholicweekly.com.au www.catholicweekly.com.au
 
I doubt anyone in the US was listening to anything but their own voice in the 1970s, and that includes the vast majority of people “active” in the Church and making “suggestions”. Many of whom later left the Church , or continued to stay but advocated viewpoints seriously at odds with Church teachings.

I wish your country a much better experience. I see many of the divisions in the US Church today as being a direct offshoot of lay people’s thinking they are entitled to have (name removed by moderator)ut or “have it their way” when it comes to the Church. In the end, it’s going to be the bishop and the Vatican making the decisions, and they may reject every suggestion that the people make, which leads to a great deal of bad feeling when people get it in their head that the Holy Spirit is telling them to do X but the bishop has decided Y. I was just at a church on Friday that lost 400 members of its parish and had its pastor excommunicated over such a situation.
 
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You miss the point here. We are not engaging in the experience of post Vat 11 that some describe as occurred in USA and indeed in Australia.

But that’s ok. It can take a long time and much prayer reflection and discernment to find the point.

And that is the process, the journey that Australian Catholics, both laity and clergy, are currently on.

I can see your Bishops again calling for a Plenary Council in the next few years.

Mimetic contagions are not what this is about
 
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Read the links, find out what Plenary Councils are all about 🙂
 
So what am I missing here…

As far as I can tell this is a completely different type of proposal than the idea of viri probati in very rural parts of Brazil. The married priests (i.e. Viri probati) would be indigenous leaders of the community in Brazil.

What gives the Australians any real hope of this type of proposal being considered?..They’re basically saying let’s allow regular priests to marry to motivate them to go to rural parts of Australia.
 
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Australia’s Catholic priests have responded to the “cathartic experience” of the child abuse royal commission with a push for optional celibacy, married priests and a plan to take the issues to the Vatican.
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The article lost my respect with the opening sentence. It is flat out ignorant of what child abuse is all about.
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To what extent does this organization actually speak on behalf of Australia’s priests?
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That was my first question. Their website doesn’t address this. I also note the the national bishop’s conference, which is the only canonical organization, does not support this. I know that there can’t be all that many priests attending, relatively speaking, as Mass will still need to be said somewhere besides Canberra.
 
Married priests? Married men should not be allowed to become deacons, let alone priests.
 
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And their last name would be “Priest.”

Oh, that would make it fun for the priest.

“Fr. Priest! Can you hear my confession?”
 
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Bradskii:
Australia’s Catholic priests have responded to the “cathartic experience” of the child abuse royal commission with a push for optional celibacy, married priests and a plan to take the issues to the Vatican.
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The article lost my respect with the opening sentence. It is flat out ignorant of what child abuse is all about.
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The article is only telling you what the Catholic priests are saying. It’s reportage. And I would have thought that they’d have a pretty good idea what constitutes child abuse. But you may be right. Maybe they have no idea.

So here’s the contact details for them: http://nationalcouncilofpriests.com.au/contact-us/

Tell them what you believe it is. I’m sure they’ll be keen to know.
 
When and if the US Bishops call for a Plenary Council with (name removed by moderator)ut from laity, I’ll worry about it then.

The reality is that Americans are constantly giving the priests and bishops (name removed by moderator)ut on how the Church should be run and what the Church should do and how they feel the Holy Spirit is moving the Church and why doesn’t the bishop or priest understand their POV and do what they want. People in USA never shut up from telling priests and bishops what they should be doing. You see it right here on this forum. Right now most of the bishops have all ten fingers in the dyke trying to keep the lights on, the necessary ministries to everyone going with fewer staff, and deal with the abuse/ coverup/ McCarrick scandals, plus other scandals like priests and staff who have addictions or embezzle money. I don’t see how a conference where Sally Soccer Mom gives her opinion on hot button issues is going to help the US church. Sally is probably not going to get her way and there’s a good chance she’ll be miffed and quit going to Mass or quit contributing to the collection.

I have no idea what a “mimetic contagion” is. All I know is the reality I see in my own country for years now. People want all kinds of different things and they are all overy the map with their wants. For every person who wants to see married priests, or LGBTQ welcomed to Mass, or Gregorian chant music, there’s somebody else who wants the opposite. And half the stuff people want is currently outright forbidden by the Vatican, so what is the point of wishing for it?

I always feel such discussions are just a sop to make people feel more involved, but ultimately pointless as we have little to no control over what the Church does. And I myself have accepted that. Others not so much.

It’s fine if you love this idea of plenary councils but don’t carry on like we’re all supposed to embrace the notion for our countries. I’d prefer it if the Church in USA would quit taking (name removed by moderator)ut from Sally Soccer Mom and just get back to prayer, spirituality, stability. I’m out.
 
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semper_catholicus said:
The economics of the remote parts of the Amazon aren’t equipped to deal with married priests.
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The proposals I’ve seen for that situation would have part time priests, rather than the normal full time priests.

That would need a change in canon law about the duty to support a priest, among other things.

It would appear likely under these proposals that there would still be visits by “regular” priests, but . . .

Also, note that many (most?) of the Orthodox priests in the US have full time jobs in the secular world, with their clerical duties being part-time.

hawk
 
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