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On the mention of ‘promises’ one question remains in my mind, “Where is the money gonna come from?”. Its something I talk with my grandfather about, we keep getting ‘we will fix this and that’, but the only way they can afford it is to increases taxes, something all parties are saying they wont.
I agree we are so bent on voting for who will promise us the most thinking too short term. My question is what about in 100 years time?
I am blown away at the tv ads that say 100 billion per day, when i first saw it i thought no way there must be more to that story but labor has said nothing of it?
Its all so hard.
Peace and blessings
 
Well Folks… only 15 hours before we cast our ballot… There are currently three independants in Federal Parliament and they may play a crucial part if, as predicted, it’s going to be so close, or even the chance of a hung parliament. Our local member is an Independant, a hard worker and a real gentleman. He’s been there for many parliaments and I can’t see that changing, but one never knows. Politics is a DIRTY BUSINESS!!! We should have some idea tomorrow night… or will we?? So many undecided voters…Good Luck and I hope the weather is kind to you.:slapfight:
 
Thanks, mate, for giving our election a mention here.

Overall, liberals tend to be more pro-life than labour, but it’s not a clear difference, as both tend to preserve the status quo - ie. not introducing new anti-life legistlation, but also not repealing the existing legislation, and not overriding state governments. A little known fact is that Kevin Rudd extended Commonwealth support for abortion-providing overseas aid agencies - and I don’t expect Julia Gillard will reverse that!

I strongly support labour’s internet filter. I just can’t see why there so much opposition to keep internet nasties out of peoples’ homes. I just wish they would extend it to all forms of pornography.

The advocates of gay “marriage”, and euthenasia, are going to keep pushing their agenda. Having libs in power may be more of deterrent than having labour, but, again, it’s not a clear cut difference.

The Greens are, however, a different matter. They are strongly “liberal”, in the modern sense, ie. actively campaigning for almost every anti-life, anti-morals cause: abortion, gay marriage, euthenasia, IVF for gay couples, etc. Labour’s life and morals record is tainted by their alliance with the Greens.

And, thankyou, Trish for reminding us to pray to Mary MacKillop! How did i forget that?? 🙂
The problem with internet filters is just that it’s difficult to get them right. You don’t want sites blocked such as CAF which, while presenting a solidly Catholic position and providing very useful information, discuss at times some very graphic topics and for that reason is likely to be lumped in as pornography and blocked by your average unsophisticated internet filter.
 
I am not inspired by either party. I think Labour has become too bogged down in factional politics and too tied to popular opinion polls and ‘short-termism.’ The liberals on the other hand are taking stances on certain issues like asylum seekers even conservative Christians would probably not endorse (i.e. turning boats back and mandatory indefinite detention). I think Tony Abbott has expressed reasonable moderation in his personal religious views and kept them an appropriate distance from his political role. I am glad we won’t see the nasty far-right wing nonsense that seems to flourish in the US. Even so, I would prefer more progressive social change in Australia in the next decade or so.

I think the Greens offer a good alternative to the mainstream parties. Some ideas may not be attractive to some, but at least they force the main parties to give some attention to important issues like the environment.
 
Labour’s life and morals record is tainted by their alliance with the Greens.
Labor (note spelling) is not in alliance with the Greens and never has been in any parliament. The minority Labor goverment in the Tasmanian state parliament since earlier this year incorporates a couple of Greens by necessity, but they are not in an alliance. The South Australian Labor government has the same arrangement with a National Party member in order to get a majority.

The Greens vote with Labor more often than with the Libs/Nats, but that doesn’t make Labor responsible for the Greens’ anti-Christian and anti-human policies.
 
I think the Greens offer a good alternative to the mainstream parties. Some ideas may not be attractive to some, but at least they force the main parties to give some attention to important issues like the environment.
It’s not just a matter of a few dodgy ideas. The whole philosophical basis of the Greens worldview is the idea than human beings are nothing more than very intelligent animals and have no intrinsic value. No Christian could possibly accept this. All the Greens’ policies derive from this atheist anti-human philosophy, even though occasionally some of their policies may superfiically coincide with Christian policies (eg on refugees). And even on care for the environment the Greens have achieved nothing and arguably have in fact caused nett damage to the environment by their counterproductive tactics and policies.
Nobody in the past 30 years has disputed the need to give some attention to important issues like the environment, and nobody needsto be prodded into doing so by the Greens.

Whoever you vote for, make sure that you put the Greens LAST.
 
The problem with internet filters is just that it’s difficult to get them right. You don’t want sites blocked such as CAF which, while presenting a solidly Catholic position and providing very useful information, discuss at times some very graphic topics and for that reason is likely to be lumped in as pornography and blocked by your average unsophisticated internet filter.
That’s not the issue in Australia. Nobody is suggesting preventing any discussion of any topic however gruesome or graphic. The proposal is merely to allow the Government to block oversease web pages which would be “Refused Classification” i.e. prohibited, if they were on an Australian-based website, cinema, DVD etc.
 
I strongly support labour’s internet filter. I just can’t see why there so much opposition to keep internet nasties out of peoples’ homes. I just wish they would extend it to all forms of pornography.
Actually the appearance of a lot of opposition to the filter is an illusion. Self-selected web-based “polls” on the issue, accompanying articles passionately arguing against it, have been “flashmobbed” by porno aficiandos giving a supposed 90% vote against the filter. But in the only properly scientifically conducted stsatisticall poll on the issue (where people were approached at random and asked neutral questions) showe dthat of the population as a whole, more than 80% support the filter.
 
Frankly im putting Liberals last. I trust the Greens far more then the Liberals.
Fair enough. I have concern economically about he greens. I consider they may try slow the short term growth of mining.

I am pro taking stock of minerals and taxing appropriately but its more important to get out in front first.

The greens would be anti uranium, possibly an abundant supply of energy.

Other concerns for me are liberal social policies, abortion and marriage.

Peace and blessings may our votes bring goodness for the world.
 
Fair enough. I have concern economically about he greens. I consider they may try slow the short term growth of mining.

I am pro taking stock of minerals and taxing appropriately but its more important to get out in front first.

The greens would be anti uranium, possibly an abundant supply of energy.

Other concerns for me are liberal social policies, abortion and marriage.

Peace and blessings may our votes bring goodness for the world.
Personally, Im voting the Greens ONLY into the senate to keep the other parties, or as my grandfather calls em ‘b*****ds’" honest. Democracy only works if everyone has an equal say, to much power held by one party and the idea of ‘democratic’ government falls to its knees.
 
Personally, Im voting the Greens ONLY into the senate to keep the other parties, or as my grandfather calls em ‘b*****ds’" honest. Democracy only works if everyone has an equal say, to much power held by one party and the idea of ‘democratic’ government falls to its knees.
I can remember as a boy Don Chip i think with that slogan and it was a valuable asset back then with the democrats that were.

I really dont see the greens as going to be in that roll, i am seeing the greens as stopping the b***ds from doing until they deal mining issues.

The fishing closures are a silly well intended miss directed. Fishing is still a way for poor people to get a feed.

Thats how far they go, not like the democrats of old, best i see anyway.

Bless ya
 
I can remember as a boy Don Chip i think with that slogan and it was a valuable asset back then with the democrats that were.

I really dont see the greens as going to be in that roll, i am seeing the greens as stopping the b***ds from doing until they deal mining issues.

The fishing closures are a silly well intended miss directed. Fishing is still a way for poor people to get a feed.

Thats how far they go, not like the democrats of old, best i see anyway.

Bless ya
Im not voting them in because I think they will make good mediators, I just think power divided by three makes it much harder for any group to get a strong hold on the senate.

Unfortunately, this is my first vote in an election, and it is the worst I’ve ever seen. Nothing stands out about the leaders, no major plans or promises. This is bad because unlike myself, brought up in a politically active family, most of the ew generation of voters have no interest in politics so it become a popularity contest, not who is best for the country.
 
Im not voting them in because I think they will make good mediators, I just think power divided by three makes it much harder for any group to get a strong hold on the senate.

Unfortunately, this is my first vote in an election, and it is the worst I’ve ever seen. Nothing stands out about the leaders, no major plans or promises. This is bad because unlike myself, brought up in a politically active family, most of the ew generation of voters have no interest in politics so it become a popularity contest, not who is best for the country.
Sooo many of us are uninformed, my pet hate is dad voted for them i have all of my life so tats how i vote.
Like vote for policy that was offered 60 years ago?
Maybe compulsory voting is bad.

Bless you for your respect for your vote it blesses us when people do their best to vote well.
 
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Maybe compulsory voting is bad.

Bless you for your respect for your vote it blesses us when people do their best to vote well.
I think compulsory voting is the only way to go for Australia. Australians are too apathetic.
I heard a joke on the radio once. It was about a poll, asking Australians if they are too apathetic? 20% said yes. And 80% couldn’t be bothered answering. I would still vote. I love it. it’s the only time i feel like i’m getting a say. The rest of the time. I see poll after poll. Telling me how i supposedly feel about something, But many many family and friends. Wouldn’t vote if they didn;t have too. I remember watching good news week. When a American guest said. “Well, when you don’t vote you get fined.” And the presenter said. Well when you don’t vote you get George Bush" ( it was a left winged show. So they weren;t all that keen on Bush. Personally i liked him.).
Anyway. I voted, and got it all over and done with until next time. I ran the gauntlet at the gate. Dodging all those people who mob you with their how to vote cards. Making my way through that lot, gives me a idea of what those poor old wildebeest feel, when ever they have to cross a crocodile infested river.
 
Personally, Im voting the Greens ONLY into the senate to keep the other parties, or as my grandfather calls em ‘b*****ds’" honest. Democracy only works if everyone has an equal say, to much power held by one party and the idea of ‘democratic’ government falls to its knees.
Hmmm. There are realistically 2 possible scenarios:
  1. The government which got about 40% of the (primary) vote is able to pass legislation in combination with a party that got about 12% of the vote, even if it is resolutely opposed by a party that got about 40 to 45% of the vote.
  2. The government which got about 40% of the vote is able to pass legislation in combination with a party that got about 40 to 45% of the vote, even if it is resolutely opposed by a party that got about 12% of the vote.
Which of these is a more democratic result? Which of these is closer to the ideal that everyone or as many people as possible should have a say in what happens?

And what is this thread doing in “Non-Catholic Religions”?
 
Peace and blessings Brothers and Sisters praying for The Great South Land.

I guess you have good news and know this, but in case.

Our voting is very close with still ballots to be counted.

It is looking like to form a government alliances need to be made with our independent members.

One green candidate has been elected and given support to lobar.

While i consider this may help with discussion in preference to debate but it is maybe likely it will just give a slow governance without much change.

Or we will end up back at the polls quickly.

If other Aussies can jump in to help those praying for us to be informed that would be great, I am no political commentator.

Bless you all.

G-d bless Australia that we may shine of His light for the world
 
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