Australian Bishop forbids TLM on Sundays in his Diocese

[Steven10]

Out of curiosity, I wonder if this particular bishop would be open to a Latin OF on Sundays.

He wouldn’t really have a say in the matter would he? It would surely be up to the Parish Priest to decide.

Anyway, there would only be one or two priests in the whole Diocese who knew Latin well enough to do this. I will ask my Parish Priest and see what his opinion is.

 

[roadsend]

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Our Diocese is a very post-Vatican II Diocese. We have very little in the way of traditional devotions and the ones that are there are quite hidden.
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What an unfortunate situation.
When I see a comment such as this in a discussion of this nature, it makes me wonder how many decades it took the people of 16th century England to realize that they were no longer Catholic.

 

[ProVobis]

What an unfortunate situation.
When I see a comment such as this in a discussion of this nature, it makes me wonder how many decades it took the people of 16th century England to realize that they were no longer Catholic.

Some Anglican “Catholics” still have never heard of the Council of Trent or Quo Primum.

 

[Steven10]

Yes it is an unfortunate situation.

I haven’t really wrapped my head around the Australian Catholic culture. I am a first generation Australian from European immigrant parents.

There is a peculiar nature to the Australian Catholic community. To my knowledge it was largely looked after by Irish priests who immigrated here and there is a real sense that our Catholic community has never really found its own identity. European migrants to Newcastle tended to have their own Masses said in their own languages which helped prevent an influx of different ways of looking at the Mass.

Our Diocese has not been fully exposed to multi-culturalism as most migrants gravitate to Melbourne and Sydney and traditional devotions appear stronger in these cities.

I can only assume that most people in my Diocese see Latin as a foreign language rather than a mother language. Certainly being of European heritage I feel much fonder of it than most.

There is a real derth of Catholic culture and it is really hard to get Catholics to participate in things. They appear to get most of their Catholic culture from the school system.

However, this is a very simplistic look at it.

There are little seeds being sown but what will become of them it is hard to say.

 

[domandcarols]

This is shameful… Why is Latin mass so discouraged? It was standard for so long. I don’t understand at all. =/

 

[ProVobis]

European migrants to Newcastle tended to have their own Masses said in their own languages which helped prevent an influx of different ways of looking at the Mass.

I’m no linguistics superscholar but it seems just the opposite would be true. Each translation theoretically carries its own set of nuances and just this alone would present a different view of the Mass. Lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi. I say that in comparing the Polish Mass, the English Mass, and the Latin Mass. Each seems to convey its own theology and faith.

 

[Steven10]

I’m no linguistics superscholar but it seems just the opposite would be true. Each translation theoretically carries its own set of nuances and just this alone would present a different view of the Mass. Lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi. I say that in comparing the Polish Mass, the English Mass, and the Latin Mass. Each seems to convey its own theology and faith.

Yes but they remain separate from the local english language culture, having their own mass times and priests, so the local culture remains insulated from their influences to a large extent.

 

[jmj1984]

I’m sorry, perhaps my English reading skills are off but you said:

It sounds to me like you were disparaging the Mass celebrated for incarcerated young offenders, or at least the manner in which it was celebrated.

It was a valid Mass, as part of a ministry Jesus Himself calls us to carry out.

Nobody is arguing that in normal conditions the Mass shouldn’t be celebrated in a dignified manner, in a proper church, etc. What I am suggesting though, is that in difficult conditions, the Mass carries its own dignity inherent to the Sacrifice it memorializes, and I didn’t appreciate your comment which came across to me as scoffing at a Mass for prisoners in a locale where a church clearly wasn’t available.

I wasnt scoffing at anything but pointing out that there is a world of difference between having to do something out of necessity and out of choice that is all. It must also be seen in the light of previous comments made as regards people who prefer the TLM not being able to appreciate the present of christ etc… I myself attend a TLM said on a plastic table at a hotel, though its well covered up and is essentially an altar. Apologies if it came across like scoffing.