Authenticity of the Quran

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The Bible is not correct (I do not intend to offend) because it is not the same text. I forgot what the original Biblical language is, but whatever it is, you should read it in that language. If you believe it to be Divine, then shouldn’t you read how it was revealed? Think about the number of translation mistakes that might occur. And nowadays, new versions are coming out each year for the Bible.
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This argument is a complete non-sequitur. There is no one “original” language of the Bible - parts were written in Aramaic, parts in Greek, parts in Hebrew…

I’m sorry, but as inJESUS correctly pointed out, you cannot apply your principles of Islamic revelation to the Bible. It just does not work that way, because our belief systems regarding what constitutes holy scripture are too different.
 
Basically I think William Shakespeare’s “Romeo and Juliett” has better claims to being divinely inspired.
It certainly beats the Koran in it’s poetic beauty, lingual translation, teaching goodness, avoiding spreading violence, avoiding repetition, speaking to the soul, being internally consistant, being easier to interpret and not making historical errors.
If you are going to claim a book is divinely inspired, you’d want to choose a better one than the Koran IMHO.
Otherwise you are making God out to be an idiot.
 
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Prophet Muhammad (sw) was illiterate before the revelation of the Quran, so how could he just make it up off the top of his head?
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A person can be illiterate and still able to memorize oral traditions of his day. This is still visible in many villages throughout India, for example. Its nothing miraculous.
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Now obviously, some information from this article is completely false. There is no paper grave in Islam. In fact, the 3rd Caliph (ruler of Islam), Uthman (or Usman) bin Affan ordered that all fragments of the Quran be burned. The proper method for ridding a parchment with the name of Allah is to burn the paper.
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Not everything was burnt apparently. Its also well known that during the Caliph’s rule, many Muslims objected to his decree and wanted him killed. Therefore, it is probable that some have actually hidden away other versions of the Qur’an. If you read the article closely, it even admits that paper graves are almost unheard of, but the restoration workers in the Mosque of Sana’a did stumble across one.
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Now, not all of the Bible has been corrupted. Some parts of it are not corrupt, such as when it predicts the one who praises (Muhammad sw). It also has several prophecies which refer to Islam.
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Of course, pseudepigraphical books such as the Gospel of Barnabas will glorify of Mohammad’s coming. That’s the intent of “Muslim scholars”. However, in the authentic Gospels, none mention Mohammad. Apart from warning its readers about false prophets.
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Does a textbook do you any good without the teacer? We also have the hadeeth, the narrations on the life of Prophet Muhammad (sw) to understand the Quran.
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There are some Muslims who reject or doubt the authenticity of the Hadiths altogether.
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Yes, it is true that the Quran has hundreds of miracles in it. Prophet Muhammad (sw) was blessed with many miracles from Allah (swt). Tell me, how did he escape and migrate to Medina when tons of enemy Quraishies were surrounding his house?
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So why didn’t a miracle occur when Mohammad was at the Battle of Khaybar?
 
In the Qu’ran doesn’t it preach about killing Jesus? and the Caliphate taking over the world?
 
Waqas_411 said:
The Bible is not correct (I do not intend to offend) because it is not the same text. I forgot what the original Biblical language is, but whatever it is, you should read it in that language. If you believe it to be Divine, then shouldn’t you read how it was revealed? Think about the number of translation mistakes that might occur. And nowadays, new versions are coming out each year for the Bible.
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oh gosh, if this is the best you can come up with, your going to be eaten alive… :rolleyes:
 
dolphinlove said:
oh gosh, if this is the best you can come up with, your going to be eaten alive… :rolleyes:
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I know, just imagine him telling the Bahai’s that their prophet is wrong in revealing that their scripture and Baha’ullah was the last seal. I prefer to stick with Jesus’ advice, since He already knew of the forthcoming of such “prophets”.
 
Yes, it is true that the Quran has hundreds of miracles in it. Prophet Muhammad (sw) was blessed with many miracles from Allah (swt). Tell me, how did he escape and migrate to Medina when tons of enemy Quraishies were surrounding his house?
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There are hundreds of ways. Just watch a story of special forces. Or spies. Or read how Paul was lowered out on a basket. Or any movie where people sneak in and out of places.
 
Some Muslims say that the Bible gives us bad theology because it is not scientifically or historically accurate. I say the Qur’an has bad theology because it is theologically incorrect. Which is the stronger argument?
 
Internal Contradictions:
  1. Who suffers loss if Muhammad was wrong? Sura 34:50 commands Muhammad to say, “If I go astray, I go astray only to my own loss,” which is a severe factual error in the Qur’an as well as contradicting the teaching of the Qur’an in a number of other verses.
  2. Allah, Adam, and the Angels. There are a great number of problems and inconsistencies between the several accounts of Adam’s creation, Allah’s command to prostrate before Adam, Satans refusal, etc.
  3. Who Was the First Muslim? Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]?
  4. Can Allah be seen and did Muhammad see his Lord? Yes [S. 53:1-18, 81:15-29], No [6:102-103, 42:51].
  5. Were Warners Sent to All Mankind Before Muhammad? Allah had supposedly sent warners to every people [10:47, 16:35-36, 35:24], Abraham and Ishmael are specifically claimed to have visited Mecca and built the Kaaba [2:125-129]. Yet, Muhammad supposedly is sent to a people who never had a messenger before [28:46, 32:3, 34:44, 36:2-6]. This article also raises other issues: What about Hud and Salih who supposedly were sent to the Arabs? What about the Book that was supposedly given to Ishmael? Etc.
  6. What will be the food for the people in Hell? The food for the people in Hell will be only “Dhari” [Sura 88:6], or only foul pus from the washing of wounds [S. 69:36], or will they also get to eat from the tree of Zaqqum [S. 37:66]? Together, these verses constitute three contradictions.
  7. Can Angels Cause the Death of People? The Qur’an attacks those who worship anyone besides God (e.g. angels or prophets) because those can neither create, nor give life, nor cause anyone to die. Yet, the Qur’an explicitly states that one angel or several angels are causing certain people to die [Sura 4:97, 16:28, 32, 32:11].
  8. Confusion Concerning Identity of the Spirit and Gabriel (a long discussion of dozens of references)
  9. 'Iddah rules for divorced and widowed women appear to be arbitrary and inconsistent.
  10. Is there a minimum age of marriage for girls?
  11. To Marry or Not to Marry? The Qur’an forbids believers to marry idolatrous women [Sura 2:221], and calls Christians idolaters and unbelievers [9:28-33], but still allows Muslims to marry Christian women [5:5].
  12. Will it be accepted of them or not?
  13. Will Allah reward the good deeds of Unbelievers? S. 9:17 and 9:69 clearly say no. However, S. 99:7 implies yes. Moreover, S. 2:62 promises Christians reward for their good deeds. But S. 9:28-33; 5:17, 72-73 calls Christians idolaters, and S. 9:17 is very clear that idolaters will have no reward.
  14. Should Muslims Accept Peace or Not?
  15. Fighting All People Until They Do What?
  16. Compel them or Not?
  17. Can They Disbelieve in the Last Day and be Safe?
  18. Should Muslims show kindness to their parents? On the one hand, the Quran commands all Muslims to show kindness to their parents, even if they are disbelievers [17:23-24, 31:14-15, 29:8, etc.]. On the other hand, it demands not to show any love or friendship to those who oppose Muhammad, even if they are their parents [9:23, 58:22].
  19. Can one be a believer in God and oppose Muhammad at the same time?
  20. How many mothers does a Muslim have? Only one [58:2, the woman who gave birth and none else], or two [4:23, including the mother who nursed him], or at least ten [33:6]?
  21. And it just doesn’t add up: Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur’anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.
  22. How many angels were talking to Mary? When the Qur’an speaks about the announciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45 speaks about (several) angels while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21. (This article has received many Muslim responses which are quoted or linked and/or discussed at the end of the article.)
  23. Further numerical discrepancies Does Allah’s day equal to 1,000 human years (Sura 22:47, 32:5) or 50,000 human years (Sura 70:4)? — According to Sura 56:7 there will be THREE distinct groups of people at the Last Judgement, but 90:18-19, 99:6-8, etc. mention only TWO groups. — There are conflicting views on who takes the souls at death: THE Angel of Death [32:11], THE angels (plural) [47:27] but also “It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death.” [39:42] Angels have 2, 3, or 4 pairs of wings [35:1]; but Gabriel had 600 wings. [Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455]
  24. How many days did Allah need to destroy the people of Aad? One day [54:19] or several days [41:16; 69:6,7]
  25. Six or eight days of creation? Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly state that God created “the heavens and the earth” in six days. But in 41:9-12 the detailed description of the creation procedure adds up to eight days. (This topic also includes many Muslim responses and further discussion.)
  26. Quick or Slow Creation? Allah creates the heavens and the earth in six days [7:54] and many Muslims want to be modern and scientific, and make that six eons, but then again, He creates instantaneously [2:117], “Be! And it is”.
  27. Heavens or Earth? Which was created first? First earth and then heaven [2:29], heaven and after that earth [79:27-30].
  28. Calling together or ripping apart? In the process of creation heaven and earth were first apart and are called to come together [41:11], while 21:30 states that they were originally one piece and then ripped apart.
  29. What was man created from? A blood clot [96:1-2], water [21:30, 24:45, 25:54], “sounding” (i.e. burned) clay [15:26], dust [3:59, 30:20, 35:11], nothing [19:67] and this is then denied in 52:35, earth [11:61], a drop of thickened fluid [16:4, 75:37]
  30. The descent of the Quran: Piecemeal or all at once?
  31. Fully Detailed Or Incomplete? The Qur’an claims for itself to be (fully) detailed, that nothing is left out of the book [6:38, 6:114, 12:111, 16:89 etc.]. However there are plenty of important issues which are left unclear in the Qur’an. This article discusses the confusion found in the quranic statements on wine.
  32. Is the Quran Completely Clear or Not?
  33. Worshiping the Same or a Different God? Muhammad is commanded to speak to the disbelievers: … nor do you worship what I worship [109:3]. However, other verses in the Qur’an state clearly that those disbelieving his message are in fact worshiping the same God, Allah.
  34. Did the Meccan Polytheist Believe That Allah Was The Supreme Being?
  35. To Intercede or Not To Intercede? - That is the Question! The Qur’an makes contradictory statements whether on the Day of Judgment intercession will be possible. No: [2:122-123, 254; 6:51; 82:18-19; etc.]. Yes: [20:109; 34:23; 43:86; 53:26; etc.]. Each position can be further supported by ahadith.
  36. How the Islamic Doctrine of Intercession undermines Allah’s Omniscience
  37. Where is Allah and his throne? Allah is nearer than the jugular vein [50:16], but he is also on the throne [57:4] which is upon the water [11:7], and at the same time so far away, that it takes between 1,000 and 50,000 years to reach him [32:5, 70:4].
  38. The origin of calamity? Is the evil in our life from Satan [38:41], Ourselves [4:79], or Allah [4:78]?
  39. How merciful is Allah’s mercy? He has prescribed mercy for himself [6:12], yet he does not guide some, even though he could [6:35, 14:4].
  40. Does Allah command to do evil? No [7:28, 16:90]. Yes [17:16, ]. Two examples are also given, where Allah clearly commanded or permitted indecent actions [2:229-230, 2:187].
  41. Should Muhammad Get Paid Or Shouldn’t He?
  42. A Contradiction Regarding Muhammad’s Fatherhood
  43. Will there be inquiry in Paradise? “neither will they question one another” [23:101] but nevertheless they will be “engaging in mutual inquiry” [52:25], “and they will … question one another” [37:27].
  44. Are angels protectors? “NO protector besides Allah” [2:107, 29:22]. But in Sura 41:31 the angels themselves say: “We are your protectors in this life and the Hereafter.” And also in other suras is their role described as guarding [13:11, 50:17-18] and protecting [82:10].
  45. Is Allah the only Wali? On the one hand, Allah is supposedly the only wali (protector, helper, friend) [9:116, 17:111, 32:4, 42:28], on the other hand, the messenger and the believers are walis [5:55, 9:71], Allah has walis [10:62], and he raises walis [4:75].
  46. Does Allah Act Alone Or Does He Have Partners That Assist Him?
  47. Is Allah the Only Judge or Not?
  48. Are all obedient and prostrating to Allah? That is the claim in 16:49 and 30:26, but dozens of verses speak of the proud disobedience of Satan [7:11, 15:28-31, 17:61, 20:116, 38:71-74, 18:50] as well of many different human beings who reject His commands and His revelations.
  49. Does Allah forgive shirk? Shirk is considered the worst of all sins, but the author of the Qur’an seems unable to decide if Allah will ever forgive it or not. No [4:48, 116], Yes [4:153, 25:68-71]. Abraham committed this sin of polytheism as he takes moon, sun, stars to be his Lord [6:76-78], yet Muslims believe that all prophets are without any sin.
  50. Abraham and the Sun
(contd)
 
  1. Abraham’s Monotheism
  2. Abraham’s Progeny? How the Qur’an messed up Abraham’s family tree
  3. Did All Prophets Receive the Same Book?
  4. The event of worship of the golden calf: The Israelites repented about worshipping the golden calf BEFORE Moses returned from the mountain [7:149], yet they refused to repent but rather continued to worship the calf until Moses came back [20:91]. Does Aaron share in their guilt? No [20:85-90], yes [20:92, 7:151].
  5. Was Jonah cast on the desert shore or was he not? “Then We cast him on a desert shore while he was sick” [37:145] “Had not Grace from his Lord reached him, he would indeed have been cast off on the naked shore while he was reprobate.” [68:49]
  6. Moses and the Injil? Jesus is born more than 1,000 years after Moses, but in 7:157 Allah speaks to Moses about what is written in the Injil [the book given to Jesus].
  7. Can slander of chaste women be forgiven? Yes [24:5], No [24:23].
  8. How do we receive the record on Judgment Day? On Judgement day the lost people are given the Record (of their bad deeds): Behind their back [84:10], or in their left hand [69:25].
  9. Can angels disobey? No angel is arrogant, they all obey Allah [16:49-50], but: “And behold, we said to the ANGELS: ‘Bow down to Adam’. And THEY bowed down, EXCEPT Iblis. He refused and was haughty.” [2:34]. This article includes links to answers to four Muslim responses.
  10. How many wings does an angel have? Angels have 2, 3, or 4 wings [35:1]; but Gabriel had 600 wings according to Sahih al-Bukhari.
  11. Is Satan an angel or a jinn?
  12. Three contradictions in 2:97 and 16:101-103 Who brings the revelation from Allah to Muhammad? The ANGEL Gabriel [2:97], or the Holy Spirit [16:102]? The new revelation confirms the old [2:97] or substitutes it [16:101]? The Qur’an is PURE Arabic [16:103] but there are numerous foreign, non-Arabic words in it.
  13. Do not say, “Three”!? It is impossible to recite Sura 4:171 without transgressing the command contained in it.
  14. The infinite loop problem Sura 26:192,195,196: “It (the Qur’an) is indeed a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds, … in clear Arabic speech and indeed IT (the Qur’an) is in the writings of the earlier (prophets).” Now, the ‘earlier writings’ are the Torah and the Injil for example, written in Hebrew and Greek. HOW can an ARABIC Qur’an be contained in books of other languages? Furthermore, it would have to contain this very passage of the Qur’an since the Qur’an is properly contained in them. Hence these earlier writings have to be contained in yet other earlier writings and we are in an infinite loop, which is absurd.
  15. Is the Torah like the Qur’an, or is it not? The Muslim claim of the corruption of the Bible leads to a contradiction between S. 2:24 and 17:88 on the one hand, and 28:49 and 46:10 on the other.
  16. Should Jews and Christians follow the Bible or the Quran?
  17. “An old woman” and God’s character About the story of Lot: “So we delivered him and his family, - all exept an old woman who lingered behind.” [Sura 26:170-171] And again: "But we saved him and his family, exept his wife: she was of those who lagged behind. [Sura 7:83]. Either this is a contradiction or if indeed Lot’s wife is derogatorily called “an old woman” then this does not show much respect for her as a wife of a prophet.
  18. More problems with the story of Lot "And his people gave NO answer but this: They said, “Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!” [Sura 7:82 & 27:56]. Yet: "But his people gave NO answer but this: They said: “Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth.” [Sura 29:29]. Obviously these answers are different.
  19. The “pleasure” of Allah? Is God’s action of punishment or mercy and guidance or misguidance arbitrary?
  20. Did Abraham smash the idols? The accounts of Abraham, Suras 19:41-49, 6:74-83 differ quite a bit from Sura 21:51-59. While in Sura 21 Abraham confronts his people strongly, and even destroys the idols, in Sura 19 Abraham shuts up after his father threatens him to stone him for speaking out against the idols. And he seems not only to become silent, but even to leave the area (“turning away from them all”).
  21. What about Noah’s son? According to Sura 21:76, Noah and his family is saved from the flood, and Sura 37:77 confirms that his seed survived. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that Noah’s son drowns.
  22. Was Noah driven out? “Before them the people of Noah rejected (their messenger): They rejected Our servant and said, ‘Here is One possessed!’ And he was driven out.” [Sura 54:9] Now, if he is driven out [expelled from their country] how come they can scoff at him while he is building the ark since we read “Forthwith he (starts) constructing the Ark: Every time that the Chiefs of his people passed by him, they threw ridicule on him.” [Sura 11:38] He cannot be both: Driven out and near enough that they can regularly pass by.
  23. Pharaoh’s Magicians: Muslims or Rejectors of Faith? Did the Magicians of Pharaoh, Egyptians, become believers in the God of Moses [7:103-126; 20:56-73; S. 26:29-51] or did only Israelites believe in Moses [10:83]?
  24. How many gods did the Egyptians worship?
  25. Pharaoh’s repentance in the face of death? According to Sura 10:90-92, Pharaoh repented “in the sight of death” and was saved. But Sura 4:18 says that such a thing can’t happen.
76. Abrogation? “The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice; there is NONE who can change His words.” [Sura 6:115] Also see 6:34 and 10:64. But then Allah (Muhammad?) sees the need to exchange some of them for “better ones” [Sura 2:106, 16:101]. And it is not for ignorant people to question Allah because of such practices!
 
contradictions in quran:

What about Noah’s son? According to Sura 21:76, Noah and his family is saved from the flood, and Sura 37:77 confirms that his seed survived. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that Noah’s son drowns.

Wine: Good or bad? Strong drink and … are only an infamy of Satan’s handiwork. [5:90, also 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers of wine [47:15, also 83:22,25]. How does Satan’s handiwork get into Paradise?

Abrogation? “The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice; there is NONE who can change His words.” [Sura 6:115] Also see 6:34 and 10:64. But then Allah (Muhammad?) sees the need to exchange some of them for “better ones” [Sura 2:106, 16:101]. And it is not for ignorant people to question Allah because of such practices!

One Creator or many? The Qur’an uses twice the phrase that Allah is “the best of creators” [23:14, 37:125]. What other creators are in mind? On the other hand, many verses make clear that Allah alone is “the creator of all things” [e.g. 39:62]. There is nothing left for others to be a creator of.

please go here for more examples of contradictions in quran and further details:

answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/#internal

and please pray for every muslim.
 
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