Author of Apocalypse/Revelation?

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I recently attended a lecture (evening session) by a “former professor of theology” from a N.Y. university.
He proceeded to tell us that St. Paul did not write Ephesians, that
the disciple at the foot of the cross with Saint Mary is NOT Saint John the Apostle…also he said that Saint John the Apostle did not write the Apocalypse…but some John Doe who was just “pastoring”. And that - Saint John was never in Asia!
Also, he shrugged his shoulders regarding “why” priests “let” the Reformation happen! I did give some rebukes, but never returned for his weekly lectures.
What I am concerned about here, is- why is this so-called professor allowed to circuit Catholic Churches and give these talks right under the noses of our Priests? The people sitting there were mesmerized. You would think, just because he had a Ph.D. after his name…God was speaking!
Discusted!:mad:
 
:o Hello
I recently attended a lecture (evening session) by a “former professor of theology” from a N.Y. university.
He proceeded to tell us that St. Paul did not write Ephesians, that
the disciple at the foot of the cross with Saint Mary is NOT Saint John the Apostle…also he said that Saint John the Apostle did not write the Apocalypse…but some John Doe who was just “pastoring”. And that - Saint John was never in Asia!
Also, he shrugged his shoulders regarding “why” priests “let” the Reformation happen! I did give some rebukes, but never returned for his weekly lectures.
What I am concerned about here, is- why is this so-called professor allowed to circuit Catholic Churches and give these talks right under the noses of our Priests? The people sitting there were mesmerized. You would think, just because he had a Ph.D. after his name…God was speaking!
Discusted!:mad:
Do you recall the name of this huckster - er - I mean lecturer? There are a couple who are regularly condemned but still find their way into some Catholic churches to teach this and similar rubbish.
 
I am so turned off from unorthodox approaches to our Faith. I think that has contributed to much of the problems that the Church has faced within the last 50 years. I normally call it liberalism in the Church, but I know that sounds too political. But when I converted to the Church from the Southern Baptist denomination, I assure you that I was not turned on to the Church by the non-Traditional “Catholics” but it was from the orthodox minded.

As for the authorship of the book of Revelation, tradition teaches us that it was St. John the Apostle, though there was some doubt by a very small minority. Let me give an excert from my catena of the book of Revelation. Here is the link for those who want to check it out. litteralchristianlibrary.wetpaint.com/page/Rev.+1-3+Catena
**St. Justin Martyr supports St. John to be the author: **There was a certain man with us, whose name was John, one of the apostles of Christ, who prophesied, by a revelation that was made to him. [St. Justin Martyr Dialogue with Trypho 81] 110-165AD
**St. Irenaeus supports St. John to be the author: **John also, the Lord’s disciple, when beholding the sacerdotal and glorious advent of His kingdom, says in the Apocalypse: [St. Irenaeus Against Heresies 4.20.11] 135-202AD
Origen supports St. John to be the author: The apostle and evangelist- but now also a prophet in addition through the Apocalypse…. [Origen Commentary on John] 185AD
St. Hippolytus supports St. John to be the author: For he sees, when in the isle Patmos, a revelation of awful mysteries, which he recounts freely, and makes known to others. Tell me, blessed John, apostle and disciple of the Lord, what didst thou see and hear concerning Babylon? [St. Hippolytus On the Antichrist 36] 222AD
**St. Andrew supports St. John the Apostle as being the author **"The writer of the Apocalypse calls himself John (1.1, 4.9). In the common belief of the Church, this was the holy Apostle John, the beloved disciple of Christ, who for the height of his teaching concerning God the Word received the distinctive title of ‘Theologian’. To his inspired pen belongs also the fourth canonical Gospel and the three Catholic Epistles. This belief of the Church is justified both by facts indicated in the Apocalypse itself, and by many internal and external signs.” [St. Andrew of Caesarea] 6th Century
Nicolas supports St. John the Apostle as being the author: The revelation of Jesus Christ The revelation made in the Person of Jesus Christ said in this way. Which God gave Him The Father, because the Son possesses divinity from the Father. To make known That is, to show. To His servants To the devoted, to the faithful, and to the studious. What must soon take place Namely, the tribulations of the Church which must soon happen, because this proceeds from the divine command which is not able to be frustrated. This is for the testing of the faithful and for the increase of their glory. And by sending His angel Appearing in this manner. He made it known That is, to show. To His servant That is, to the evangelist. [Nicolas of Lyra Commentary on Revelation] 1270-1349AD
 
Oecumenius supports St. John as the author: But the divine John was still holier than all the preachers and more spiritual than all the spiritual people, as he was reclined upon the breast of the Lord (John 13:25), and through his kisses he drew an abounding grace through the Spirit; and that is where he is also called the son of thunder (Mark 3:17). For he resounded under heaven with his godly teachings. But his present written work as it concerns the plain and smooth mysteries, could be justly considered to be the most mystical. [Commentary on Revelation Intorduction] 6th Century
St. Bede supports St. John as the author: So then, if any one will observe carefully, he will find these rules to prevail in all the canonical Scriptures, and especially in the prophetical parts, as well as in the Apocalypse, that is, the Revelation of St. John the Apostle, which the same Tichonius both understood with a lively apprehension, and expounded with truthfulness, and in a sufficiently Catholic sense, excepting only those places in which he endeavoured to defend the schism of his party, that is, the Donatists. [Letter to Eusebius]
Here is one early witness that doubts the authorship/
**Here, St. Dionysius doubts St. John the Apostles’ authorship: **John, moreover, nowhere gives us the name, whether as of himself directly (in the first person), or as of another (in the third person) in the Gospel. But the writer of the Revelation puts himself forward at once in the very beginning, for he says: “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which He gave to him to show to His servants quickly; and He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bare record of the Word of God, and of his testimony, and of all things that he saw.” And then he writes also an epistle, in which he says: “John to the seven churches which are in Asia, grace be unto you, and peace.” The evangelist, on the other hand, has not prefixed his name even to the catholic epistle; “The elder.” This other author, on the contrary, did not even deem it sufficient to name himself once, and then to proceed with his narrative; but he takes up his name again, and says: “I John, who also am your brother and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos for the Word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.” And likewise toward the end he speaks thus: “Blessed is he that keeps the sayings of the prophecy of this book; and I John who saw these things and heard them.” That it is a John, then, that writes these things we must believe, for he himself tells us. What John this is, however, is uncertain. John the Apostle,But whether this is the one who wrote the Revelation, I could not say. For it is not written that he came with them into Asia. But the writer says: “Now when Paul and his company loosed from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia: and John, departing from them, returned to Jerusalem.” I think, therefore, that it was some other one of those who were in Asia. And furthermore, on the ground of difference in diction, it is possible to prove a distinction between the Gospel and the Epistle on the one hand, and the Revelation on the other. For the former are written not only without actual error as regards the Greek language, but also with the greatest elegance, both in their expressions and in their reasonings, and in the whole structure of their style. They are very far indeed from betraying any barbarism or solecism, or any sort of vulgarism, in their diction. For, as might be presumed, the writer possessed the gift of both kinds of discourse, the Lord having bestowed both these capacities upon him, viz., that of knowledge and that of expression. That the author of the latter, however, saw a revelation, and received knowledge and prophecy, I do not deny. Only I perceive that his dialect and language are not of the exact Greek type, and that he employs barbarous idioms, and in some places also solecisms. These, however, we are under no necessity of seeking out at present. And I would not have any one suppose that I have said these things in the spirit of ridicule; for I have done so only with the purpose of setting right this matter of the dissimilarity subsisting between these writings. [St. Dionysius Extant Fragments Part I Part I.-Containing Various Sections of the Works] 264AD
 
Do you recall the name of this huckster - er - I mean lecturer? There are a couple who are regularly condemned but still find their way into some Catholic churches to teach this and similar rubbish.
Hi, I certaintly do … It is …Professor Thomas Casey!:mad: His
classes have a few more weeks to complete…I hope the rest of
those who were in attendance drop out also.😦
 
:o Hello
I recently attended a lecture (evening session) by a “former professor of theology” from a N.Y. university.
He proceeded to tell us that St. Paul did not write Ephesians, that
the disciple at the foot of the cross with Saint Mary is NOT Saint John the Apostle…also he said that Saint John the Apostle did not write the Apocalypse…but some John Doe who was just “pastoring”. And that - Saint John was never in Asia!
Also, he shrugged his shoulders regarding “why” priests “let” the Reformation happen! I did give some rebukes, but never returned for his weekly lectures.
What I am concerned about here, is- why is this so-called professor allowed to circuit Catholic Churches and give these talks right under the noses of our Priests? The people sitting there were mesmerized. You would think, just because he had a Ph.D. after his name…God was speaking!
Discusted!:mad:
This sounds like some of the more orthodox profs in the religious studies dept at my college. needless to say i am no longer a religious studies major…
 
When I studied Johanine theology at university it was the other way around concerning authorship. The gospel and letters, while of the same theological school, were obviously written by a different author from Revelations. The grammar and vocabulary don’t match. The theory is that an educated scribe took John’s teaching and composed letters for him and compiled the gospel story. Revelations was more likely the work of a Palestinian fisherman.

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