Don’t limit one shred of Augustine’s teaching to say he believed it was ONLY Peter’s faith that was the Rock. That’s poor scholarship. Augustine’s writings teach that it was Peter AND Peter’s Confession that are both the Rock. They are inseparable.
Sigh - Yes they do. Because when they get what looks like the Bread, the Partake of His Body and His Blood. When they drink of the Cup, they again partake of His Body and His Blood.
Which Protestant faith teaches the same things the apostles did? Did the apostles simultaneously teach that baptism was a symbolic, non-salvific gesture that the new believer makes AND that baptism is also salvific and washes away sins? Did the apostles simultaneously teach that we are eternally secure AND we can lose our salvation? Did the apostles simultaneously teach that only men can be pastors AND women can be pastors, too? Did the apostles simultaneously teach that Christ died for all men AND Christ only died for those who will accept Him?
I can tell you that individual Catholic may believe this, and they are in error in their beliefs. I can also tell you that the Roman Catholic Church has and always will condemn homosexuality among the priesthood. She will always condemn women priests. And She will always condemn abortion.
Oh yeah, you’ve brought up alcholic priests, homosexual priests, and a variety of other false leads in order to get this thread back on topic.
There are not Roman Catholic “churches,” there is a Church which embraces many members, a socierty of believers. That does not mean than all members are agreed on every point of doctrine. It means there are doctrines to which all are supposed to conform. It also means that, in human terms, the range of dissent among instructed Catholics is narrower than among instructed "Protestants. "
It seems you are painting all Protestants with the same brush. If I posted a picture of the pope kissing the Koran—would that be true of all Catholics?
And no matter how I may come across (I know these internet forums do a poor job of showing our true feelings), I think of you as a Brother in Christ. I hope to continue our discussion in heaven one day, my Brother.
I think that is because of the sheer numbers. You must understand, all the Chalices would need to be on the altar when the Bread and the Wine are Consecrated. With a 1/2 million people in attendance and considering that 100-200 could possibly drink from one cup, that would still leave over 250 chalices!!!
That explains why Protestant churches are so incredibly bare and bland and your ‘liturgy’ is like saltless crackers. All you go by is the scriptures. It is like hobbling to Christ on one leg!
Yes, Christ placed great importance on Peter’s faith! It was one of the reasons why Jesus gave the keys to Peter! Peter name occurs more in the NT than all the other apostles combined. Every single time the apostles are listed in the NT Peter is always listed first. Or it’s just “Peter and apostles”. You see?! Even the NT writers were keenly aware of Peter’s pre-eminence! People even tried to get Peter’s shadow to fall on them so they could be healed. The vision of eating unclean meat was given to Peter. Peter condemned Anania and Saphira (sp?) to death for their transgression!
The thing is, in the case of Protestant Christian communities, it’s not what is done as much as what isn’t that causes division with the original church.
Peter may have been the chief apostle but he took a back seat to Paul. One of the reasons Peter’s name was mentioned so much was when Christ had to keep reprimanding him. The main reason Peter’s name is mentioned more times than Paul is that Paul wasn’t around for the gospels and Paul wrote most of the Bible. You couldn’t expect him to write his own name.
Happy Feast of the Assumption Old Scholar!
I am already deeply involved with apostolic Christianity.
Then you must rejoice over the Theotokas’ assumption into Heaven? No?
Sorry but there was no such assumption. Show me in the Bible where that happened. That is another assumption of man in the RCC. It isn’t found in Scripture and didn’t happen…
For HUNDREDS years Christians have been celebrating this Feast. You MUST SURELY been aware of this feast since you are so into apostolic Christianity right?
It looks like it happened twice already, Enoch and Elias.
You keep bringing up this notion that everything we Christians should believe must be found in Sacred Scripture. Where do you get this strange idea??!!
