You might find this informative. In addition to automatic excommunication of a person who is involved in an abortion, these other sins will have automatic excommunication. This is taken from “This Rock” magazine.In my theology (Roman Catholic) textbook, it says that a person can be automatically excommunicated for physically attacking the Pope. Is this correct? Why would it be an automatic excommunication for attacking the Pope, but not for a regular clergy member or layperson?
The Code of Canon Law provides as follows:In my theology (Roman Catholic) textbook, it says that a person can be automatically excommunicated for physically attacking the Pope. Is this correct? Why would it be an automatic excommunication for attacking the Pope, but not for a regular clergy member or layperson?
Heresy results in automatic excommunication? If one were to confess past heresies to a priest in a confessional would said excommunication be lifted or would you have to go to a bishop or Rome itself?You might find this informative. In addition to automatic excommunication of a person who is involved in an abortion, these other sins will have automatic excommunication. This is taken from “This Rock” magazine.
Yes. In the 1983 Code of Canon Law (CIC) eight other sins carry the penalty of automatic excommunication: apostasy, heresy, schism (CIC 1364:1), violating the sacred species (CIC 1367), physically attacking the pope (CIC 1370:1), sacramentally absolving an accomplice in a sexual sin (CIC 1378:1), consecrating a bishop without authorization (CIC 1382), and directly violating the seal of confession (1388:1).
Apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith. Heresy is the obstinate doubt or denial, after baptism, of a defined Catholic doctrine. Schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or the refusal to be in communion with members of the Church who are in communion with him (CIC 751).
Violation of the sacred species is the throwing away the consecrated species of Christ’s body or blood or the taking or retaining of them for a sacrilegious purpose (CIC 1367).
Physically attacking the pope is self-explanatory, as are absolving an accomplice in a sexual sin and consecrating a bishop without authorization from the Vatican.
A direct violation of the seal of confession is one in which both the penitent and the penitent’s sin can easily be determined by the confessor’s words or behavior. Again, the penalty of automatic excommunication does not apply if no one perceives the disclosure (CIC 1330).
Automatic excommunication for abortion (CIC 1398) applies not only to the woman who has the abortion, but to “all those who commit this crime with knowledge of the penalty attached, and [this] includes those accomplices without whose help the crime would not have been committed” (Evangelium Vitae 62).
No one is automatically excommunicated for any offense if, without any fault of his own, he was unaware that he was violating a law (CIC 1323:2) or that a penalty was attached to the law (CIC 1324:1:9). The same applies if one was a minor, had the imperfect use of reason, was forced through grave or relatively grave fear, was forced through serious inconvenience, or in certain other circumstances (CIC 1324).
I am not certain, however is it possible for an excommunicated individual to go to Confession? Plus, what Priest in their right mind would absolve someone who is excommunicated (if the first question was answered yes)? I say this because how would a Priest know one is excommunicated unless one tells the Priest.No the man was insane. however can the excommunication from heresy be lifted in Confessions?
An excommunicated person may go to Confession. Now its just a matter if the priest is authorized to lift the excommunication himself or need to refer the matter to the bishop or some other authority.I am not certain, however is it possible for an excommunicated individual to go to Confession? Plus, what Priest in their right mind would absolve someone who is excommunicated (if the first question was answered yes)? I say this because how would a Priest know one is excommunicated unless one tells the Priest.
I repeat, I am not certain, though it seems like murky waters.
~ Pius :knight1:
Can somebody please ask a priest (or if one is a priest) or bishop and post an answer. I was never catechized (is that the right word?) and when I was 12 had an un orthodox view of The Trinity, the nature of God (kind of "new age) and I feel that my choice in literature and movies (Harry Potter mostly) glorified the occult and gave me a short lived interest in astrology (never attempted to do any of this myself), palm reading and I have always had an interest in Roman, Greek, Egyptian, and Nordic mythology (pagan lore). Then I thought a feng shui frog (money one) worked and put the coin that came with it in the bloody frogs mouth. I changed about 3 years ago and repented after I learned the nature of the Trinity and have since confessed this. When I actually learned Church teaching I embraced it and became this Traditionalist Catholic and as some say religious extremeist who is now typing this. Am I a heretic, am I (or was I) ever excommunicated?I am not certain, however is it possible for an excommunicated individual to go to Confession? Plus, what Priest in their right mind would absolve someone who is excommunicated (if the first question was answered yes)? I say this because how would a Priest know one is excommunicated unless one tells the Priest.
I repeat, I am not certain, though it seems like murky waters.
~ Pius :knight1:
Did you actually subscribed to another faith? Apostasy from the faith carries excommunication. But confession will often lift this and I believe most priests have the faculties to restore Catholics into the Church. I am just unsure really how apostasy is defined, but I would guess that unless you pulicly joined another faith, heretical views isn’t apostasy. A sin nonetheless, but you did not apostasize from the faith.Can somebody please ask a priest (or if one is a priest) or bishop and post an answer. I was never catechized (is that the right word?) and when I was 12 had an un orthodox view of The Trinity, the nature of God (kind of "new age) and I feel that my choice in literature and movies (Harry Potter mostly) glorified the occult and gave me a short lived interest in astrology (never attempted to do any of this myself), palm reading and I have always had an interest in Roman, Greek, Egyptian, and Nordic mythology (pagan lore). Then I thought a feng shui frog (money one) worked and put the coin that came with it in the bloody frogs mouth. I changed about 3 years ago and repented after I learned the nature of the Trinity and have since confessed this. When I actually learned Church teaching I embraced it and became this Traditionalist Catholic and as some say religious extremeist who is now typing this. Am I a heretic, am I (or was I) ever excommunicated?
No, I never joined any other religion. Even then I loved Bible stories and Jesus while hating satan. like I said when I learned Church teaching I embraced it. It’s sad to say that here in St. john’s Nl, Apostacy is even more common than heresy. And a great many “Christians” are heretics. let me give you examples:Did you actually subscribed to another faith? Apostasy from the faith carries excommunication. But confession will often lift this and I believe most priests have the faculties to restore Catholics into the Church. I am just unsure really how apostasy is defined, but I would guess that unless you pulicly joined another faith, heretical views isn’t apostasy. A sin nonetheless, but you did not apostasize from the faith.
Since it’s not reserved to the Bishop nor the Apostolic See, confessing it and by act of will refusing to further hold it should lift the excommunication inherent to being a heretic.Heresy results in automatic excommunication? If one were to confess past heresies to a priest in a confessional would said excommunication be lifted or would you have to go to a bishop or Rome itself?
Does heresy carry automatic excommunication?Since it’s not reserved to the Bishop nor the Apostolic See, confessing it and by act of will refusing to further hold it should lift the excommunication inherent to being a heretic.
Excommunication can be forgiven in confession unless the lifting of the excommunication is reserved to some ecclesiastical authority, e.g. the Pope. We need to remember excommunication is a medicinal penalty not a punitive one.I am not certain, however is it possible for an excommunicated individual to go to Confession? Plus, what Priest in their right mind would absolve someone who is excommunicated (if the first question was answered yes)? I say this because how would a Priest know one is excommunicated unless one tells the Priest.
I repeat, I am not certain, though it seems like murky waters.
~ Pius :knight1:
Yes, it does, in the Roman Church.Does heresy carry automatic excommunication?
In the Roman Church, no, it’s automatic.I thought a heretic would be given a chance to be corrected, and thus would mean the excommunication would happen by declaration instead of automatic.
In a Latin Parish, Yes. Preaching heresy is, in the west, automatic.So if a priest during homily says he thinks women should be ordained, would that mean he’s excommunicated right there and then?
No. But it makes it a grave sin for the priest… but preaching heresy is, too…And would that invalidate the Mass?