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I have a question. In a hypothetical situation… Let’s say you go to confession and immediately after your absolution you drop dead of a heart attack. Would you go straight to Heaven? I am just wondering what is the state of one’s soul immediately after confession. Assuming you made a good confession and everything. Would it still be necessary to go to purgatory after you are absolved of your sins if you die right away? How does it all work? Thanks. 😃
 
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
The punishments of sin
1472
To understand this doctrine and practice of the Church, it is necessary to understand that sin has a double consequence. Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life, the privation of which is called the “eternal punishment” of sin. On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the “temporal punishment” of sin. These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain.84"
Confession removes eternal punishment. The temporal punishment is removed either on earth through indulgences or in purgatory. You would only go to straight to heaven if you are completely free of temporal punishment.
 
No, because you would still have temporal punishment to endure. Unless you have received pardon with an indulgence.
 
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

Confession removes eternal punishment. The temporal punishment is removed either on earth through indulgences or in purgatory. You would only go to straight to heaven if you are completely free of temporal punishment.
Worldly sufferings, offered up in reparation for one’s sins, can also remove that burden. For those who were not baptized as (sinless) children, baptism also erases the temporal punishment due to sin.

In general, unless the prayers assigned as penance are enriched with a plenary indulgence (such as praying the rosary, provided you do this while still in the church), the penance probably won’t satisfy the debt of justice still owed for one’s sins. Nevertheless, plenary indulgences are ludicrously easy to get. I’ve gotten 10 already and I was just baptized two weeks ago. (Needless to say, they all went to the holy souls in purgatory).

So in short, presumably, if you died right after confession, you’d go to Heaven, at least eventually. You might have to make a pit stop in purgatory first, though.
 
I recall the emphatic words of Padre Pio, when he told an astonished Mass-goer that he received a vision while saying Mass that the man’s father was released that very day from Purgatory to Heaven. The man cried, “But, my Father died 30 years ago!” Padre Pio replied, “Every debt to God must be paid!”

Make of that what you will!
 
Nevertheless, plenary indulgences are ludicrously easy to get. I’ve gotten 10 already and I was just baptized two weeks ago.
Seeing you’re newly baptized, I will jump to the conclusion that you may possess an incomplete understanding of a Plenary Indulgence, for which one requirement is Freedom from All Attachment to Sin.

That is virtually impossible for most of us regular humans to attain. However, your performance of Plenary Indulgences is still worthwhile, because if that feature is lacking, it still counts as a Partial.
 
I recall the emphatic words of Padre Pio, when he told an astonished Mass-goer that he received a vision while saying Mass that the man’s father was released that very day from Purgatory to Heaven. The man cried, “But, my Father died 30 years ago!” Padre Pio replied, “Every debt to God must be paid!”

Make of that what you will!
30 years in purgatory for sins committed in life! Amazing, how they build up. Yet you can get one plenary indulgence in the span of a few hours and wipe that debt away completely. Truly, God is good, all the time.
 
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

Confession removes eternal punishment. The temporal punishment is removed either on earth through indulgences or in purgatory. You would only go to straight to heaven if you are completely free of temporal punishment.
I have always wondered why if we are forgiven our sins on earth are we then required to give an account of every sin to God in heaven on judgement day ?:confused:
 
I guess the Saints are the ones to look at. When you look at the process of contemplative prayer especially, there is a burning away of faults and increasing knowledge and love of God, until you reach the transforming union.
 
When can or how can you get a Plenary Indulgence?

Say after someone earns the Plenary they sin, would they have to “gain another one”?
How did indulgences start?

Please and thank you! 🙂
 
When can or how can you get a Plenary Indulgence?

Say after someone earns the Plenary they sin, would they have to “gain another one”?
How did indulgences start?

Please and thank you! 🙂
In 1095, Pope Urban II and the Council of Clermont decreed that all Christians who died in a crusade automatically received a plenary indulgence.Chapter 4
7. The conviction existing in the Church that the pastors of the flock of the Lord could set the individual free from the vestiges of sins by applying the merits of Christ and of the saints led gradually, in the course of the centuries and under the influence of the Holy Spirit’s continuous inspiration of the people of God, to the usage of indulgences which represented a progression in the doctrine and discipline of the Church rather than a change.(33) From the roots of revelation a new advantage grew in benefit to the faithful and the entire Church.
The use of indulgences, which spread gradually, became a very evident fact in the history of the Church when the Roman Pontiffs decreed that certain works useful to the common good of the Church “could replace all penitential practices”(34) and that the faithful who were “truly repentant and had confessed their sins” and performed such works were granted “by the mercy of Almighty God and…trusting in the merits and the authority of his Apostles” and “by virtue of the fullness of the apostolic power,” not only full and abundant forgiveness, but the most complete forgiveness for their sins possible."(35)
  1. Cf. Council of Claremont, can. 2: “Quicumque pro…paenitentia reputetur” (Mansi. SS. Conciliorum collectio 20, 816).
  2. Cf. Boniface VIII, bull Antiquorum habet: “Antiquorum habet…veniam peccatorum…” (DS 868).
vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_p-vi_apc_19670101_indulgentiarum-doctrina_en.html

The current norms are the fourth revision (1967, 1968, 1986, 1999). You can gain a plenary indulgence through 1/2 hour of scripture study any day of the week, or 1/2 hour Eucharist adoration. Also the vocal Rosary (5 decades) without interruption and conjoined with meditation on the mysteries, in a church or oratory, or in a family, a religious community, or an association of the faithful, or with a few people gathered together for an honest purpose. (Look up the details as norm 7, 17, 30.)

There are many other ways.

books.google.com/books?id=IME…gences&f=false

From the Norms in Indulgences: N20. §1. To gain a plenary indulgence, in addition to excluding all attachment to sin, even venial sin, it is necessary to perform the indulgenced work and fulfill the following three conditions:
sacramental confession, Eucharistic Communion, and prayer for the intention of the Sovereign Pontiff.
§2. A single sacramental confession suffices for gaining several plenary indulgences; but Holy Communion must be received and prayer for the intention of the Holy Father must be recited for the gaining of each plenary indulgence.
§ 3. The three conditions may be fulfilled several days before or after * the performance of the prescribed work; it is, however, fitting that Communion be received and the prayer for the intention of the Holy Father be said on the same day the work is performed.
  • According to the Holy See, within about 21 days before or after the indulgenced work. (Interesting that it is about a 40 day window.)
 
**First Apparition of the Virgin : Sunday, May 13th, 1917
**
Lucia narrated the following:
While playing with Jacinta and Francisco on the hill, near Cova de Iria, we were building a wall with stones around a blooming plant, all of a sudden we saw a light like lightning.

  • It is flashing,” I said. “A storm can come. It is better to return home.”
  • “Oh, yes, alright,” my cousins responded. We started to come down from the hill taking the sheep down the path. In the middle of our way on the slope, near the evergreen oak which still exists today, we saw a flash of lightning and after we took some more steps over the slope,** we saw a Lady dressed in white, more brilliant than the sun, scattering clear and intense light, more than a ray of sunlight through a glass of water.
    We were so close that we were in the light She irradiated. Our Lady said:
  • “Don’t be afraid. I will not harm you.” I asked her: “ Where are you from ?”
    -
    “I’m from Heaven.”**
  • “What is that you want?”
  • “I have come to ask you to come here six consecutive months on the 13th at the same time.” Later I will say who I am and what I desire.”
  • “I will return a seventh time.”
    -** I asked: “Will I go to Heaven?”
  • “Yes, you will go.”
  • “and Jacinta?”
  • “She will go too”
  • “and Francisco?”
  • “He will also go, but he has to pray many rosaries first.”**COLOR=“blue”] Then I remembered two of my sister’s friends who died recently.”
  • “ is Maria de las Nieves in Heaven?”
  • “Yes she is.”
  • “**and Amelia, whose between 18 - 20 years old?”
  • “She will be in purgatory until the end of the world.”** And then She said: **“Do you want to offer yourselves to God and accept all the sufferings that He desires to send you in reparation for the sins by which He is offended and to implore for the conversion of sinners?”
  • “Yes, we want to.”**
  • “You will have to suffer much , but God’s grace will strengthen you.” Upon saying this the Virgin opened her arms for the first time, communicating a very intense light coming from her hands penetrating deep into our chest and our hearts, allowing us to see ourselves in God more clearly than seeing ourselves in a mirror.
By an interior impulse also communicated to us, we fell to our knees, repeating humbly:
“Holy Trinity, I adore you. My God, my God, I love you in the Blessed Sacrament.”

**A few moments later Our Lady added:
  • “Pray the rosary every day to acquire world peace and the end of the war.”
    Immediately she started to elevate serenely as light surrounded her while opening her way**.
piercedhearts.org/hearts_jesus_mary/apparitions/fatima/fatima_apparitions.htm

Pax Christi

P.S. Recommend** CS Lewis’** The Great Divorce…a really scary book about this truth…God is Mercy but He is also Justice…and nothing unclean can enter heaven…
Rev 21: 27
Douay-Rheims Bible

There shall not enter into it any thing defiled, or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb.
New International Version (©1984)
**Nothing impure will ever enter it, **nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
English Standard Version (©2001)
But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false
, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
 
From the Norms in Indulgences: N20. §1. To gain a plenary indulgence, in addition to excluding all attachment to sin, even venial sin, it is necessary to perform the indulgenced work and fulfill the following three conditions:
sacramental confession, Eucharistic Communion, and prayer for the intention of the Sovereign Pontiff.
§2. A single sacramental confession suffices for gaining several plenary indulgences; but Holy Communion must be received and prayer for the intention of the Holy Father must be recited for the gaining of each plenary indulgence.
§ 3. The three conditions may be fulfilled several days before or after * the performance of the prescribed work; it is, however, fitting that Communion be received and the prayer for the intention of the Holy Father be said on the same day the work is performed.
  • According to the Holy See, within about 21 days before or after the indulgenced work. (Interesting that it is about a 40 day window.)
I hope it isn’t because of undue Protestant influence, but I have never been comfortable with the practice of indulgences even in this much reduced form. I was born and remain a Catholic and indulgences were never mentioned in any of my Catholic formation. But most of what I have learned such as this makes me shudder.

Not that I don’t believe in indulgences; sacrificial deeds can help purify us in this world so that we don’t need to be purified as much in the next. But it is my experience that speculation about what occurs in the next life mostly just leads to problems in this life. I am content with the idea that purgatory must exist; certainly we must demand to be purified before we enter the kingdom of heaven. But what good does it do for us to pretend that we know what form that purgatory takes? We don’t know that purgatory takes any time at all. Certainly our prayers must help those ‘in’ purgatory (whatever ‘in’ means). But I can’t imagine anyone who attempts indulgences for the express purpose of reducing their ‘time in purgatory’ being capable of being purified by that action. It would depend on the motive, but it would seem to me that many are trying to run away from purification instead of embracing it.
 
Is anyone familiar with Maria Simma? She was visited by souls in purgatory and wrote a book about it. Here is an interview with her:

holysoulscrusade.org/maria-simma1.html

I love how she describes how the soul chooses to go there. In a strange way I am deeply comforted by the thought of purgatory. And I have definitely felt the desire to go there- even though the idea of going there also terrifies me. I think it is because I have been so lucky here on earth- I have been forgiven without punishment by those I love. Sometimes I struggle with accepting forgiveness because I have done nothing to pay for what I have done and I am still tainted and attached to my sins even though I try not to be. Purgatory seems so hopeful to me- it is an opportunity be made pure. It is terrifying because of the pain but also such a gift. I hope I am understanding it correctly.
 
I hope it isn’t because of undue Protestant influence, but I have never been comfortable with the practice of indulgences even in this much reduced form. I was born and remain a Catholic and indulgences were never mentioned in any of my Catholic formation. But most of what I have learned such as this makes me shudder.

Not that I don’t believe in indulgences; sacrificial deeds can help purify us in this world so that we don’t need to be purified as much in the next. But it is my experience that speculation about what occurs in the next life mostly just leads to problems in this life. I am content with the idea that purgatory must exist; certainly we must demand to be purified before we enter the kingdom of heaven. But what good does it do for us to pretend that we know what form that purgatory takes? We don’t know that purgatory takes any time at all. Certainly our prayers must help those ‘in’ purgatory (whatever ‘in’ means). But I can’t imagine anyone who attempts indulgences for the express purpose of reducing their ‘time in purgatory’ being capable of being purified by that action. It would depend on the motive, but it would seem to me that many are trying to run away from purification instead of embracing it.
The Catechism has:1031 The Church gives the name *Purgatory *to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.606 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:607

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.608

1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: "Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."609 From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God.610 The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:

Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.611

1472 To understand this doctrine and practice of the Church, it is necessary to understand that sin has a double consequence. Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life, the privation of which is called the “eternal punishment” of sin. On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the “temporal punishment” of sin. These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain.84

1473 The forgiveness of sin and restoration of communion with God entail the remission of the eternal punishment of sin, but temporal punishment of sin remains. While patiently bearing sufferings and trials of all kinds and, when the day comes, serenely facing death, the Christian must strive to accept this temporal punishment of sin as a grace. He should strive by works of mercy and charity, as well as by prayer and the various practices of penance, to put off completely the “old man” and to put on the "new man."85

1478 An indulgence is obtained through the Church who, by virtue of the power of binding and loosing granted her by Christ Jesus, intervenes in favor of individual Christians and opens for them the treasury of the merits of Christ and the saints to obtain from the Father of mercies the remission of the temporal punishments due for their sins. Thus the Church does not want simply to come to the aid of these Christians, but also to spur them to works of devotion, penance, and charity.90

1479 Since the faithful departed now being purified are also members of the same communion of saints, one way we can help them is to obtain indulgences for them, so that the temporal punishments due for their sins may be remitted
 
I have always wondered why if we are forgiven our sins on earth are we then required to give an account of every sin to God in heaven on judgement day ?:confused:
A friend once likened judgment day to a courtroom. The judge (God) decides what evidence is admissible – and sins which are confessed are deemed inadmissible as evidence against you. Perfect contrition in the absence of confession may suffice, too, if one had the sincere intention to seek out confession.

So I guess the answer is that if you die in a state of grace, there’s no account left to give!
When can or how can you get a Plenary Indulgence?

Say after someone earns the Plenary they sin, would they have to “gain another one”?
How did indulgences start?

Please and thank you! 🙂
Indulgences are borne of the Church’s power, delegated to it by Christ, to “bind and loose.” In its role as authoritative minister of the Redemption, it dispenses grace from the treasury of satisfactions won by Christ and all the saints and martyrs now in Heaven.

An indulgence is partial if it remits part of the debt of punishment and plenary if it remits all of it. The baseline requirements for any indulgence is (a) completion of the indulgenced work (b) in a state of grace (c) with the general intention of gaining an indulgence. Plenary indulgences furthermore require (a) that one have received communion, preferably on the same day the indulgenced work is completed, (b) that one pray for the intentions of the Holy Father (an Our Father and Hail Mary suffice), also preferably on the day the indulgenced work is completed, (c) receipt of sacramental confession within approx. 20 days of the completion of the indulgenced work, before or after, and (d) freedom from attachment even to venial sin (I have read that here a prayerful act of the will to be freed from all sin and to love God will suffice, and Fr. Z. endorses this opinion).

Indulgences may be applied to oneself or applied (through prayer) for the benefit of the holy souls in Purgatory.

Yes, a plenary indulgence erases the debt of temporal punishments due for all sins one has committed up to that point, so a subsequent sin would require further indulgences to remit. Worthless bucket of sin that I am, I intend to keep maybe one plenary indulgence for myself every year, and give the rest up to those in most desperate need of it.
 
And so they say…Blessed are those who take their purgatory on earth.
 
Worldly sufferings, offered up in reparation for one’s sins, can also remove that burden. Nevertheless, plenary indulgences are ludicrously easy to get. I’ve gotten 10 already and I was just baptized two weeks ago. (Needless to say, they all went to the holy souls in purgatory).
I have read the opposite. That plenary indulgences are very difficult to get as one must be free of ALL attatchment to sin, which is very rare, otherwise the indulgence is partial. If I am wrong please correct me. I am not so detatched yet.
 
I have read the opposite. That plenary indulgences are very difficult to get as one must be free of ALL attachment to sin, which is very rare, otherwise the indulgence is partial. If I am wrong please correct me. I am not so detached yet.
But remember that freedom from all affectus or adfectus* to sin is an act of the will which we are capable of performing, through the grace of God.
  • affectus or adfectus means*:
**I. ** A state of body, and esp. of mind produced in one by some influence (cf. affectio, I.), a state or disposition of mind, affection, mood
II
. Especially
*a) Love, desire, fondness, good-will, compassion, sympathy
b) for the beloved objects, the dear or loved ones
c) low, ignoble passion or desire
d) ability of willing, will, volition

perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=affectus&la=la#lexicon

Expressed differently: “have the interior disposition of *complete detachment from sin, even venial sin”.

vatican.va/roman_curia/tribunals/apost_penit/documents/rc_trib_appen_pro_20000129_indulgence_en.html*
 
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