Avoid Raising a Serial Killer

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I am a bit confused. Is the basis of your argument now that the protesters who choose to drive these trucks all over cities, hold up these signs by the driveways to toy stores, fly these planes over public beaches so unintelligent as to not realize who is seeing them?
No they intend for the general public to see them.
Vern certainly does intend using these pictures to “persuade” young children:
" Childern’s values are formed at a very early age. If you wait until someone is “contemplating abortion” you have waited far too long."
This is absolutely true. All the more reason FOR young children to see them.
Would you buy this exact same argument if the porn industry chose to use your methods?
State the argument you same I am using to support ‘my methods’. And no, the porn industry should be censored and put out of business.
 
I have never raised any objection to you showing these pictures to as many unborn babies as you so desire. Go right ahead. Just leave their preschool siblings out of it.
Aye, Aye, maddam 😛

I guess your will trumps others rights.
 
Sure, be glad to comment. Infanticide and homicide can also be directly connected with sex, though not always as directly as abortion.
Abortion is not ‘directly’ related at all. Still haven’t shown how they are intimately connected.
Which other “truths” shall we not hide from these young children? Why not let everyone publish exactly what they want in any way and any venue they want and behave in any way they want without let or hindrance? It’s all “the truth” of human behavior.
Because morals are based on truth. Showing pornography is intrinsically disordered and immoral. Showing photos of aborted babies is not.
Thank you for the admission that those who use these pictures in this way are not, in fact, only “tolerating” or not “intending” or “regretting” that some young children might inadvertently be exposed to them.
It doesn’t have to be either ‘intended’ or ‘regreted’. It is tolerable, and maybe even desirable as it is not harmful with proper parenting.
 
Aye, Aye, maddam 😛

I guess your will trumps others rights.
Whoa.

Lets not start this “rights” bit.

That will open a big can of worms.

Nobody is denying your right to protest or denying you right to oppose abortion, I think that has been made very clear, what people are asking is that you exercise your rights responsibly and that you respect other peoples rights while doing so.

I certainly respect your right to protest what you believe is wrong, I simply dont agree with the method, the attempted justifacion (it is false as far as my son is concerned, he would be distressed by such images) and I dont think that other peoples rights are being considered.
 
Whoa.

Lets not start this “rights” bit.
It’s already been opened. Some people have already said they have a “right” not to have their children see such things – and said that others have no right to use the images.
That will open a big can of worms.
It sure has!
Nobody is denying your right to protest or denying you right to oppose abortion, I think that has been made very clear, what people are asking is that you exercise your rights responsibly and that you respect other peoples rights while doing so.
No. Several posters have said there is no right to show such images.

And be careful about saying people should “exercise their rights responsibly” – when someone suggests parents should exercise their rights responsibily, that triggers outraged responses.
I certainly respect your right to protest what you believe is wrong, I simply dont agree with the method, the attempted justifacion (it is false as far as my son is concerned, he would be distressed by such images)
Or you would be distressed by them, and that distress would communicate itself to your son.
and I dont think that other peoples rights are being considered.
Indeed they are not – people are claiming that as parents they have “rights” that trump everyone elses’ rights.
 
“A man I reject”----would that be Jesus or the Pope? I am presuming the Pope, because most Christians I know refer to Jesus as God, not as “a man.” Because I do not follow either, does that make the teachings of either irrelevant for you, who do claim to follow them? I have been giving you the words in the Scripture and the interpretations given in their own words by your Church----take issue with them if you do not agree with what they say. Am I wrong to expect someone to act in accordance with their stated religious beliefs?

How do you respond to all the Catholics and other Christians who are raising exactly the same objections?
None of them have claimed to have inside knowledge of what Jesus would have believed about this topic. But being you reject Jesus as a fool(only a fool would claim he was a god, right?) why would you care what his opinion would be?
 
It’s already been opened. Some people have already said they have a “right” not to have their children see such things – and said that others have no right to use the images.
Where does that impede your right to protest?

Besides that, they do have a right not to have their children exposed to such images.
It sure has!
No, not yet it hasnt.
No. Several posters have said there is no right to show such images.
I dont understand how this prevents you from protesting or opposing abortion.
And be careful about saying people should “exercise their rights responsibly” – when someone suggests parents should exercise their rights responsibily, that triggers outraged responses.
Sorry, Im not following.
Or you would be distressed by them, and that distress would communicate itself to your son.
Please stop trying to provoke me. I have stated a couple of times that the images dont distress me. There is no “or” situation, he would be distressed without any encouragement from me.

So please stop accusing me of being what you consider to be a poor parent.
Indeed they are not – people are claiming that as parents they have “rights” that trump everyone elses’ rights.
No that is completly wrong. People are saying that parents have the right not to have their children exposed to graphic imagery, in this thread those images are bloodied/dismembered infant corpses. That hardly suggests “everyone elses rights”.
 
Where does that impede your right to protest?
You might want to talk to Karen about that – she wants such images controlled by law.
Besides that, they do have a right not to have their children exposed to such images.
Funny how no one uses the word “responsibility” when discussing the children. They always claim some sort of “right.”
No, not yet it hasnt.
You haven’t been following the thread, then – you, yourself claim “rights” militate against using these images.
I dont understand how this prevents you from protesting or opposing abortion.
Some would make it illegal – Karen has said she would.
Sorry, Im not following.
Read the first post and the cited material. It is the **parents’ **reaction to such things that colors the child’s reaction.

Which is why parents have a duty to deal with such things responsibly, and not to have a hissy fit in the presense of the child.
Please stop trying to provoke me. I have stated a couple of times that the images dont distress me. There is no “or” situation, he would be distressed without any encouragement from me.
Pardon me if I disagree – all the evidence is that children can see virtually anything with no adverse reaction if the parents react properly.
So please stop accusing me of being what you consider to be a poor parent.
Taking it personally is a dishonest debating tactic.
No that is completly wrong. People are saying that parents have the right not to have their children exposed to graphic imagery,
Again, their “rights” trump everyone elses’ rights – and no one wants to talk about parental responsibility.
in this thread those images are bloodied/dismembered infant corpses. That hardly suggests “everyone elses rights”.
Does it strike you those aren’t “bloodied/dismembered infant corpses?” They are the only images of tragically murdered children and those children are real people. They have no other memorial but those pictures.

But when you use the phrase, “bloodied/dismembered infant corpses” you show what your reaction would be to a picture of Mary Rose Doe – and that reaction communicates itself to your child.
 
No that is completly wrong. People are saying that parents have the right not to have their children exposed to graphic imagery, in this thread those images are bloodied/dismembered infant corpses. That hardly suggests “everyone elses rights”.
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So how do you suggest we implement that?
 
Well, we know one thing – it won’t be by parents discharging their parental responsibilities and calmly explaining the issue to the child.
Short of banning all public display of such signs there is no way to implement it. I think “its for the children” is a conveneint excuse for censorship.
 
And no, the porn industry should be censored and put out of business.
Why? Why should they have less of a right to freedom of expression than you are claiming for yourself and your movement? On what basis would you censor them?
 
None of them have claimed to have inside knowledge of what Jesus would have believed about this topic. But being you reject Jesus as a fool(only a fool would claim he was a god, right?) why would you care what his opinion would be?
I haven’t claimed any “inside knowledge” other than that which is freely available in Scripture.

If you want to start a thread on why I am not a Christian, go right ahead (or better yet, search the archives on the Non-Christian forum, as I have been over that ground many times), but the place for it is not here.
 
I haven’t claimed any “inside knowledge” other than that which is freely available in Scripture.

If you want to start a thread on why I am not a Christian, go right ahead (or better yet, search the archives on the Non-Christian forum, as I have been over that ground many times), but the place for it is not here.
I dont care why you are not a Christian(although i pray you will someday become so).I do care when you start interpreting for Christians a book you dont believe in and the words of a man you reject.
 
You might want to talk to Karen about that – she wants such images controlled by law.
Really? Please link to the post in which I said such.
Funny how no one uses the word “responsibility” when discussing the children. They always claim some sort of “right.”
I’ve used it many, many times in these threads. I am continuing to participate only because I feel a responsibility toward children even after they are born.
Some would make it illegal – Karen has said she would.
Again, please give me the post number in which I said such.

Does it strike you those aren’t “bloodied/dismembered infant corpses?” They are the only images of tragically murdered children and those children are real people. They have no other memorial but those pictures.

No, it strikes me that that is precisely what they are.

Bloodied===covered in blood
Dismembered===limbs and head separated from their bodies
infant====baby human
corpse====body of a dead human being

What the heck are they if not that? Have you even looked at one of these pictures? Based on that comment I begin to doubt it.

From the person who told me that if I would just stop using the word “indiscriminate” that the entire issue would go away, I find this amusing. Talk about trying to use euphemisms to make things seem to be less than they are…

No, thanks, Vern. I will continue to call them exactly what they are. It is precisely because they are images of “tragically murdered real people” in the form of “bloodied dismembered infant corpses” that I object to showing them to young children.

We do not consider it appropriate as a society to show young children images of “tragically murdered real people” in any other circumstance. I don’t recall seeing any campaigns that feature a young child’s head crushed beneath the tire of a car, blood and brains spattered about, eyeballs forced from their sockets, as a means of teaching kids that you shouldn’t play in traffic—and that is at least something that is of immediate concern to them.

We don’t have sex abuse prevention campaigns that show the bloodied mangled bodies of babies and young children who have died as the result of being raped to teach other young children about “good touch/bad touch”. We don’t show children with their faces half blown away and brains exposed to teach children about gun safety or with their hands and faces burned off to teach fire safety. We don’t show photos of young children torn apart by viscious dogs to teach them not to go up to strange animals.

All of these things happen in the real world. All of the children to whom they happen are real people. All of their deaths were tragic.
But when you use the phrase, “bloodied/dismembered infant corpses” you show what your reaction would be to a picture of Mary Rose Doe – and that reaction communicates itself to your child.
Maybe you should post your picture of Mary Rose Doe (can’t be any worse than any of the others I have seen) and we can talk about reactions and whether those words apply. Interesting that though Vern, Mapleoak and Estesbob are all in such favor of these images and consider them to indeed be beneficial for all audiences that we don’t see them actually posting them as part of the discussion, though they are free with other graphics and photos. I wonder if such is against the forum rules?
 
Sorry mate.

I didnt mean to give that impression.

I thought that you raised some valid points about adult reaction, I guess that I was trying to expand on them.
No worries! No need to apologize. Thank you for saying I raised some valid points :bounce: and responding to them.
 
KarenNC;2805738 [/quote said:
Interesting that though Vern, Mapleoak and Estesbob are all in such favor of these images and consider them to indeed be beneficial for all audiences that we don’t see them actually posting them as part of the discussion, though they are free with other graphics and photos. I wonder if such is against the forum rules?

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It is against forum rules. It is also against forum rules to discuss canidates. Does that mean it should be illegal to do that in public?
 
I dont care why you are not a Christian(although i pray you will someday become so).I do care when you start interpreting for Christians a book you dont believe in and the words of a man you reject.
Interesting.

You should be free to express any and all opinions in any and all possible ways on any and all subjects without having to be subjected to criticism because of your unfettered right to freedom of speech regardless of its effects on anyone else. If anyone does criticize your views, they are branded as attacking, censoring and advocating trampling the rights of everyone else.

I, on the other hand, should not be allowed to post quotations from a religion’s Scripture or official writings which are freely available, with links to the original sources of such so that they can be seen in context and folks can judge for themselves whether or not they say what I see that they say, because I don’t follow that religion. I should not be allowed to call into question whether a particular action on the part of a follower of a particular religion is in line with the known teachings of that religion.

I see.
 
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