Avoiding priests and religious

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Sorry but the scale and facts matter. If someone said i can’t look at black people without disgust because of… then you wouldn’t be defending it. I’ve already said i think the rate in the church is 4x the national average so i don’t deny the problem but don’t paint all priests with that brush.
 
1 single case would be bad enough!!!

But we must be weary of the media sensationalism and political distortion in the presentation of the numbers.
 
Can you guys imagine how my Diocese , we the Parishoners, our Clergy responded, when we learnt, a couple of months ago, that 7% of our past group had been counted.

Then we started doing some counting of our own. In one of our schools, only 1 person, a female teacher, was NOT abusing children.

Yes it’s incredulous, yes it happened. Yes it takes a lot to digest.

Yes they are in jail, or dead.

Now of the children of that time, who should be middle aged, I believe only a handful are still with us.
 
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There isn’t the investment of trust in any one group of people.

What they are entrusted with by faithful That is the nature of the hurt,. Think of how abuse is different from a stranger in a dark alley or your parent in your bedroom.
 
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Roseeurekacross said:
Then we started doing some counting of our own. In one of our schools, only 1 person, a female teacher, was NOT abusing children.
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I’m sorry. I find this incomprehensible. If it is so, it is beyond the grasp of my understanding.
 
incomprehensible…I was looking for a word just none of them met the gravity of this
 
And Therin lies the reason for little flower posting. And the thing we are all working with. Clergy and laity alike. The reason my Bishop is a Saint, living. Imagine his task now, as our Shepherd.
 
The burden laid on the those who wear the habit…the laity will feelo the burden too…I went through it here it scandalizes the whole land
 
Please @Roseeurekacross

In that one school. How many teachers/priests? How many already arrested? Over how many years?
 
exhibit 50-0002 page 5.

I have come to the following conclusion: their experiences of powerlessness in the private sphere combined
with their idea of power as accountability upwards, were devoid of facilitated intros
pection, as they were left unsupervised, unsupported and unchallenged to minister in a site
of unregulated public power.

@Roseeurekacross look at the part in bold

“Accountability” has to be sideways, towards peers. And even towards subjects.
 
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I never fail to remind the parents, after the first 2 years, that there is no reason for me to be tutoring without their presence - that I don’t feel comfortable with it and they should guard against developing that sense of security with anyone.
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Your precautions sound good, but what did you mean when you said “…after the first 2 years, that there is no reason for me to be tutoring without their presence?” Are you meaning after they are two years old, or after you have been tutoring them for two years, or something else?
 
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Sorry but the scale and facts matter. If someone said i can’t look at black people without disgust because of… then you wouldn’t be defending it. I’ve already said i think the rate in the church is 4x the national average so i don’t deny the problem but don’t paint all priests with that brush.
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The Royal Commission was all about scale and facts. No kangaroo court there mate! Which is why the banks are dodging the rumours they are in for one.

I can’t really relate to your comparison with black people. The Commission did not include country of origin or skin colour in their findings. I really can’t see how that would matter? Many of our Priests now come from Asia, India and Africa.

If you read my early comments you will see that I said we cannot blame our clergy today, because there were bad clergy in the past.

I haven’t looked into national averages and rates. But the Royal Commission did not find any significant difference in its 30% religious and 30% public government figures.
Australia is a bit over 250 years old. People started reporting in recent decades.

What’s the USA national average , I read it’s pretty similar, somewhere.

But you know what they say about stats. Sharks attack and try to eat more people on days of higher ice cream consumption. Does that mean sharks prefer ice cream tasting people.
 
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After 2 years of tutoring!! We have normally gotten to know each other well. So, after that time (actually earlier) parents sometimes try to schedule when they are working and not at home (also the adolescent is older moving into 15 or 16 years of age). To which I answer an outright: NO!!! Because I want full peace of mind, for all, and no space for the slightest suspicion.

That is what I meant. Because, after all we are human beings and become friends. Yet, I must always remind them (and myself) that regardless of friendship I don’t want that kind of responsibility and find it improper.

One of the last kids I tutored just turned 17. I did visit a couple of times last year when her parents happened to be out. But it was an exception, and we have known each other for years (a life time actually). However, the feeling of reluctance is ever present, and should be.
 
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Research does not bear out you claim of “4x the national average.” In fact research suggests that the incidence of priests abusing is about the same as the national average. I am not excusing it. As I said, priests should be held to a higher standard. Their rate should be zero, even if the average is 10%. But where is the push for fixing the problem? Where are the suggestions for what we should do. All this blame gaming does nothing for the children. Only corrective action keeps the children safe.
 
Yeah, that sounds like a good policy. Be aware that while abuse of prepubescent children is what is most feared, abuse of minor teenagers is actually more common. I’m sure someone as obviously conscientious as you is no threat, but as you also seem to be aware, even the appearance of opportunity by anyone is a risk for both the child and the adult.
 
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Are you having an emotional reaction to the sight of priests in general, while knowing logically that the priests at your parish are innocent and not deserving of such a reaction? If so, either time or perhaps counseling is what you need.

Or do you actually blame all priests for what happened, including the ones at your parish?

Not knowing which it is, it is hard to know how to answer you.
 
The poster has a valid observation.
Your reaction to this sin does seem unbalanced and too focused.
Is there something in your own history that is causing this excessive emotional reaction?

If that is so then obviously a healing balance will more likely come from looking at yourself than obsessing over a minority of abusive priests.
 
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