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Is art no longer a good?
It depends on what kind of art you’re talking about. I am currently helping to instruct a professional artist with no formal art training. None. He never has to draw nudes, but he can draw real human beings and mythical human-like beings perfectly. Nudity is not required.

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Nudity is not required.
Probably not, but for some artists, nudity won’t cause harm, and could improve the quality. Necessity is not the hinge on which prudence turns.

As a curious aside, what would you recommend if an artist was inspired to portray Eden? Should an artist just quit on the idea? use fig leaves in the picture? if male, should he subcontract Eve’s depiction to a trusted female artist? In what state of dress or lack thereof should his or her model pose? Does Eden fit under a limited set of exceptions? Just wondering if you have rules for this too…
 
How about Michaelangelo’s NUDE statue of a young David) or paintings show the Virgin breast feeding the Baby Jesus? :christmastree1::flowers::blushing:
 
I disagree. A painting is waay different than an actual person or photograph.

Peace,
Ed
Have you seen some of the talent on some of these people today? They can draw pictures that are so life like that you would think it was a photgraph.
 
I don’t see any great good coming out of nude modelling. However, a patient who has to take off all of their clothes for an examination by a doctor is a totally different story. A great good can come out of that, namely the treatment of a disease.
The point is, you make is sound like it’s impossible for people to see others naked and not lust, even in a professional setting such as modeling for an artist. I was just pointing out that if it’s really that impossible for a professional to see naked ppl without lusting, then why doesn’t anyone ever suggest seeing doctors of only the same gender?? It’s just a double standard.
 
I learned this past weekend that back in the day (a long, loooong time ago), the athletes in the Olympics used to compete naked. The reason for this is because the Olympics was started by the Greeks, who had an appreciation for the beauty of the human body.

Not that I think people should still be naked for the Olympics or anything, lol, but I thought that was a good attitude to have. A much better attitude than hyper sexualizing the human form so much. The media does it, and puritanical religious views do it too. Little do they both realize they’re on opposite sides of the exact same coin. It’s sad, really.
 
The answer to this is simple. There is a broad distinction between proper artistic representation of the human body (figurative art) and other “art forms” designed to arouse.

It is not true that the only models available to Renaissance artists were male. Male models were more common, however female nude models were also not uncommon at this time.

The link below is an article on this particular topic in relation to the artist Michelangelo:

renresearch.wordpress.com/2011/02/11/men-with-breasts-or-why-are-michelangelos-women-so-muscular-part-1/

Nude models are common today among many artists, this includes catholic sculptors and painters. The Church, throughout the centuries has commissioned works that involve nude models. It continues to do so today and there is nothing wrong with this.

An experienced & competent artist should be capable of treating a model with an element of professional detachment and respect.
 
The answer to this is simple. There is a broad distinction between proper artistic representation of the human body (figurative art) and other “art forms” designed to arouse.

It is not true that the only models available to Renaissance artists were male. Male models were more common, however female nude models were also not uncommon at this time.

The link below is an article on this particular topic in relation to the artist Michelangelo:

renresearch.wordpress.com/2011/02/11/men-with-breasts-or-why-are-michelangelos-women-so-muscular-part-1/

Nude models are common today among many artists, this includes catholic sculptors and painters. The Church, throughout the centuries has commissioned works that involve nude models. It continues to do so today and there is nothing wrong with this.
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An experienced & competent artist should be capable of treating a model with an element of professional detachment and respect.**
Well said. 👍
 
There is a difference in art and in pornography. There is no problem with nude models when used to produce art. This has been done for thousands of years and the Vatican is full of nude pictures.

But then there was the very, very unfortunate decision that put those STUPID fig leaves on pre-existing-nude statues. When I saw those in the Vatican I was so :mad:.

Catholics are not Puritans.
Why was it stupid? Did you complain to someone at the Vatican? And if you didn’t, why bother telling us? You know this, right?

drivinguide.com/vatican_city_dress_code.htm#dresscode

Being a prude is OK.

Peace,
Ed
 
Probably not, but for some artists, nudity won’t cause harm, and could improve the quality. Necessity is not the hinge on which prudence turns.

As a curious aside, what would you recommend if an artist was inspired to portray Eden? Should an artist just quit on the idea? use fig leaves in the picture? if male, should he subcontract Eve’s depiction to a trusted female artist? In what state of dress or lack thereof should his or her model pose? Does Eden fit under a limited set of exceptions? Just wondering if you have rules for this too…
Sure. This image fits but the writer at the source of this image has the Garden of Eden story wrong.

images.google.com/imgres?q=adam+eve&num=10&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=905&tbm=isch&tbnid=ziILUgPMqBpvpM:&imgrefurl=http://www.day8strategies.com/2012/04/24/fallen-or-irresponsible/&docid=MtBIlcYP3sBjiM&imgurl=http://www.day8strategies.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/adam-eve-garden-of-eden-1.jpg&w=291&h=435&ei=LPcVUNLKLoW7rQGnlIDYCg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=480&sig=106091372161517899937&page=1&tbnh=173&tbnw=116&start=0&ndsp=31&ved=1t:429,r:23,s:0,i:213&tx=75&ty=91

Peace,
Ed
 
How about Michaelangelo’s NUDE statue of a young David) or paintings show the Virgin breast feeding the Baby Jesus? :christmastree1::flowers::blushing:
Have you ever seen such images and similar, posted as porn?

Peace,
Ed
 
Why was it stupid? Did you complain to someone at the Vatican? And if you didn’t, why bother telling us? You know this, right?

drivinguide.com/vatican_city_dress_code.htm#dresscode

Being a prude is OK.

Peace,
Ed
It was incredibly stupid to attempt to dress-up works of art that had been originally created by great artistic masters to glorify the human body and give glory to God. These works were originally commissioned by the church to be nude and there was no need to alter them…why is the statue of David not covered??
 
Have you seen some of the talent on some of these people today? They can draw pictures that are so life like that you would think it was a photgraph.
I have been involved in art for decades. I’ve seen the photo-realistic stuff. It’s boring, as in, painting / photograph - no real difference. We’d never publish such work.

Peace,
Ed
 
The point is, you make is sound like it’s impossible for people to see others naked and not lust, even in a professional setting such as modeling for an artist. I was just pointing out that if it’s really that impossible for a professional to see naked ppl without lusting, then why doesn’t anyone ever suggest seeing doctors of only the same gender?? It’s just a double standard.
And what’s stopping you or anyone from seeing a doctor of the same gender? Sheesh. I know people who do prefer doctors of the same gender. What’s the big deal?

Peace,
Ed
 
I learned this past weekend that back in the day (a long, loooong time ago), the athletes in the Olympics used to compete naked. The reason for this is because the Olympics was started by the Greeks, who had an appreciation for the beauty of the human body.

Not that I think people should still be naked for the Olympics or anything, lol, but I thought that was a good attitude to have. A much better attitude than hyper sexualizing the human form so much. The media does it, and puritanical religious views do it too. Little do they both realize they’re on opposite sides of the exact same coin. It’s sad, really.
What is really sad is the graphic exploitation of male and female sex acts. We cannot call ourselves civil or civilized if we say it’s OK. Human dignity requires human decency.

Peace,
Ed
 
Ed…thats just ridiculous. A doctor is a professional and if I go to a male or female doctor I do expect professional detachment.
 
The answer to this is simple. There is a broad distinction between proper artistic representation of the human body (figurative art) and other “art forms” designed to arouse.

It is not true that the only models available to Renaissance artists were male. Male models were more common, however female nude models were also not uncommon at this time.

The link below is an article on this particular topic in relation to the artist Michelangelo:

renresearch.wordpress.com/2011/02/11/men-with-breasts-or-why-are-michelangelos-women-so-muscular-part-1/

Nude models are common today among many artists, this includes catholic sculptors and painters. The Church, throughout the centuries has commissioned works that involve nude models. It continues to do so today and there is nothing wrong with this.

An experienced & competent artist should be capable of treating a model with an element of professional detachment and respect.
Uh huh. And where does this type of art get shown? Seriously? And I’m not talking about Church settings. I know people from all spectrums of the arts, from the Ultra-Orthodox fine artists, to weekend painters, and professionals with zero art schooling.

Peace,
Ed
 
Thanks…a very good friend of mine is a figurative artist, a devout catholic, and has worked on commissions for churches as well as nudes and religious works.

These are some of his works:

http://www.donalmurrayworks.com/img/work/murals/Christ The Godshepherd, 2007_m.jpg

The Good Shepherd

http://www.donalmurrayworks.com/img/work/portraits/figure study, 2004_m.jpg

Nude Portrait

http://www.donalmurrayworks.com/img/work/murals/The Return, 2004_m.jpg

The Prodigal Son
Has his nude portrait ever been displayed for public viewing or published anywhere, or is it a school assignment (by which I’m saying it in no way diminishes its quality if it is)?

Peace,
Ed
 
It was incredibly stupid to attempt to dress-up works of art that had been originally created by great artistic masters to glorify the human body and give glory to God. These works were originally commissioned by the church to be nude and there was no need to alter them…why is the statue of David not covered??
Write a letter to the Vatican. I firmly believe no one here has the answer.

Peace,
Ed
 
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