Bad calls in sports

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More than 25 years later I still get mad remembering this one. I was about 13 at the time, old enough to really care but young and idealistic enough to believe in rules and justice when it came to sports.

youtube.com/watch?v=SSHGG0sGUOc

For those of you who don’t want to watch the video, or for whom (like me) the memory is still too painful, this is the 1988 NBA Finals Game 6, where Kareem travels, then shoots, ever so lightly bumps Bill Laimbeer, misses the shot, and Laimbeer gets called for a foul. Kareem makes the free throws, giving the Lakers the lead and sending the series on to a game 7 which the Lakers win. I had to wait for vindication the following year when the Pistons swept the Lakers (albeit with Magic hurt).
 
As a Lakers fan, let me say that the refs got the call right. I say this without watching the video 🙂

The Lakers winning the title that year was the first repeat NBA champion in many years. Had they won again the following year that would have been the first three peat since the 60’s Celtics. Alas, the Lakers clinched the West so much earlier than the Pistons won the East that Pat Riley held very intense practice sessions while waiting for the Eastern Conference champion to be determined. That was when Magic got hurt, and then Byron Scott and I believe another guard. Kareem was not in great shape either so the Pistons mowed the Lakers down. Worthy had a great series but didn’t have enough help. That was a talented Pistons team that would hold up quite well against today’s teams.

DGB
 
More than 25 years later I still get mad remembering this one. I was about 13 at the time, old enough to really care but young and idealistic enough to believe in rules and justice when it came to sports.
What’s really sad is that today, there are calls this bad made in just about every single NBA game.
 
More than 25 years later I still get mad remembering this one. I was about 13 at the time, old enough to really care but young and idealistic enough to believe in rules and justice when it came to sports.

youtube.com/watch?v=SSHGG0sGUOc

For those of you who don’t want to watch the video, or for whom (like me) the memory is still too painful, this is the 1988 NBA Finals Game 6, where Kareem travels, then shoots, ever so lightly bumps Bill Laimbeer, misses the shot, and Laimbeer gets called for a foul. Kareem makes the free throws, giving the Lakers the lead and sending the series on to a game 7 which the Lakers win. I had to wait for vindication the following year when the Pistons swept the Lakers (albeit with Magic hurt).
I think the " walking " would have been boarder line. Pros and College athletes " walk " all the time. It would depend on how the rest of the game was called. If they had made serveral walking calls in the game, it might have made sense if the ref saw it, things were happening pretty fast. Kareen didn’t " charge, " Laimbeer clearly fouled Kareem however.

Not worth getting upset over, its just a game.

Linus2nd
 
The worst are in boxing and now also mma. You have to wonder whether some fights are fixed or the judges are biased. One example is the fight between johnny Hendricks and GSP. GSP won by decision but everyone would agree that Hendricks won. Another example is Paquiauo vs Bradley.

It also happens in football. A few years ago the steelers were playing the colts in the afc championship. The steelers were winning with a couple minutes left. Troy Polamalu made an interception but the refs called it incomplete because he didn’t make a ‘football move’. It was clearly an interception and the refs ended up apologizing the next day. The colts almost came back and won the game after that.
 
Oksana Baiul never should have beaten Nancy Kerrigan in the 1994 Olympics.

Baiul’s jumps were two-footed, while Kerrigan’s jumps were clean and sharp.

As for “artistry,” Swan Lake beat Kerrigan’s contemporary piece because of judge PREFERENCE. A different set of judges might have preferred the contemporary piece. Thankfully, “artistry” is no longer the tie-breaker in figure skating competitions. In fact, if Kerrigan and Baiul’s programs were judged under the current judging system, Baiul wouldn’t have been anywhere near the medal podium and Kerrigan would have won Gold.

It’s been 20 years, and I still get upset when I think about this “bad call.” :mad:
 
The worst are in boxing and now also mma. You have to wonder whether some fights are fixed or the judges are biased. One example is the fight between johnny Hendricks and GSP. GSP won by decision but everyone would agree that Hendricks won. Another example is Paquiauo vs Bradley.
Next you’ll be telling me pro wrestling is rigged too.
 
6/2/10…Detroit Tiger Armando Galarraga got cheated out of pitching a perfect game by a bad call from the ump (who said afterward that he did, indeed, make a bad call).

You thought you heard freak thunder that day…it was actually me, bellowing at the tv in northern Michigan!!!
 
6/2/10…Detroit Tiger Armando Galarraga got cheated out of pitching a perfect game by a bad call from the ump (who said afterward that he did, indeed, make a bad call).

You thought you heard freak thunder that day…it was actually me, bellowing at the tv in northern Michigan!!!
That situation sucked. In all likelihood Armando will never have another opportunity to come close to a perfect game. He pitched a great game and was robbed by an obviously bad call. If I recall correctly both Armando and the umpire both handled this with a lot of class.

DGB
 
That situation sucked. In all likelihood Armando will never have another opportunity to come close to a perfect game. He pitched a great game and was robbed by an obviously bad call. If I recall correctly both Armando and the umpire both handled this with a lot of class.

DGB
Yes, I was very impressed with how Armando reacted…he was such a gentleman and sportsman (our priest even mentioned it during his homily next Sunday!). And the umpire was truly devastated, and apologized. I was so mad at the baseball commissioner who refused to change it. I see they are using instant replay starting this year…bout time!
 
Whaaaa Whaaaaa Whaaaaa!

The sun was in my eyes!
The ref didn’t like us!
The fans said something mean!
My shoelace was untied.

Calls go both ways for every “bad” call that cost a game. There was one your team benefited from.

Lose graciously, win graciously.

You know what they say excuses are like?

Unless it is cheating or fixing I say enjoy the game and the human element in it.
 
Whaaaa Whaaaaa Whaaaaa!

The sun was in my eyes!
The ref didn’t like us!
The fans said something mean!
My shoelace was untied.

Calls go both ways for every “bad” call that cost a game. There was one your team benefited from.

Lose graciously, win graciously.

You know what they say excuses are like?

Unless it is cheating or fixing I say enjoy the game and the human element in it.
It’s hard to enjoy a game when a crucial play is not called properly that changes the outcome of the game. I’m glad they are using instant replay in baseball this year. For someone who is proposing graciousness, your post could use some tweaking.
 
It’s hard to enjoy a game when a crucial play is not called properly that changes the outcome of the game. I’m glad they are using instant replay in baseball this year. For someone who is proposing graciousness, your post could use some tweaking.
Instant-replay (video) is now used in the sport of figure skating, thank goodness. Jumps and various footwork elements happen so quickly that it’s easy for the judges to miss a two-foot or a pre-rotation or a cheat on a turn. The video review ends that ambiguity, and the sport is now “fair.”

Unfortunately, the old 6.0 system is still used with the young skaters, and I think this is really awful. What we see over and over again are scores all over the place. At the last synchro nationals, one of the juvenile teams received ordinals from 1 (1st place) to 12 (last place), and everything in between. Even the first place team received one incredibly low ordinal–what was that judge thinking?! (They were thinking that they wanted the team from their club to win, instead the team that deserved to win. Or perhaps they sneezed during the program and totally missed something that they should have seen.)

This makes no sense. IMO, the ISU should mandate that the IJS be used to judge ALL levels of the sport except for the “basic skills” levels (the tiny beginners who are learning to fall down and get up).

However, even with the IJS, it’s possible to “rig” the competition so that a deserving skater or team does not medal. I think this is one of the main reasons why parents do not get their children involved in the sport of figure skating–no one wants to pay a fortune for a sport that is filled with “bad calls.” It’s not about being a good sport–it’s about getting a good deal for your money and time.
 
Im a believer that if you get a call go your way and its obvious it shouldn’t have, that it will come back and bite you
 
enjoy the game and the human element in it.
Why bother hiring professional referees then if the point is not to get the “right” call? And whether or not team A once got a favorable call in their history has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not a particular call in a particular game was incorrect. I can’t say I “enjoy” bad, incorrect calls whether on the receiving or benefitting end.
 
Whaaaa Whaaaaa Whaaaaa!

The sun was in my eyes!
The ref didn’t like us!
The fans said something mean!
My shoelace was untied.

Calls go both ways for every “bad” call that cost a game. There was one your team benefited from.

Lose graciously, win graciously.

You know what they say excuses are like?

Unless it is cheating or fixing I say enjoy the game and the human element in it.
The problem with this is that so much money rides on an official’s call.

In professional sports, the “bad call” can mean the difference between going to the Super Bowl or World Series or Stanley Cup, etc. These big events mean millions, perhaps billions of fan dollars, pumped into the franchise and the home city of that franchise. It means jobs for people in that city.

In amateur sports, there is no prize money, but parents and individuals and occasionally companies put a lot of money into the team or individual athlete, and it is miserable to watch all the money go down the toilet because of a bad call against a deserving athlete or team.

What happens all too often is that the parents/individuals/companies get disgusted and choose to leave the sport and invest their money elsewhere. In individual sports, this is too bad, but for team sports, it can mean the end of the team (and the end of a job for the coaches).

Good coaches will do their best at “damage control” after a bad call. They try to remind the athlete or the team to “enjoy the game and the human element in it.” But many parents refuse to enjoy a game and human element that isn’t fair, and I can’t say I blame them. When we were involved in elite-level synchronized skating, we were paying $600 a month (and this was back in the early 2000s, when gas was still fairly cheap). In addition, we had to pay for overseas trips. Can you see why it’s pretty hard for parents who are paying this much to sit back and say, “Well, that call was bogus, but wasn’t the competition fun anyway?”
 
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In amateur sports, there is no prize money, but parents and individuals and occasionally companies put a lot of money into the team or individual athlete, and it is miserable to watch all the money go down the toilet because of a bad call against a deserving athlete or team.

What happens all too often is that the parents/individuals/companies get disgusted and choose to leave the sport and invest their money elsewhere. In individual sports, this is too bad, but for team sports, it can mean the end of the team (and the end of a job for the coaches).

Good coaches will do their best at “damage control” after a bad call. They try to remind the athlete or the team to “enjoy the game and the human element in it.” But many parents refuse to enjoy a game and human element that isn’t fair, and I can’t say I blame them. When we were involved in elite-level synchronized skating, we were paying $600 a month (and this was back in the early 2000s, when gas was still fairly cheap). In addition, we had to pay for overseas trips. Can you see why it’s pretty hard for parents who are paying this much to sit back and say, “Well, that call was bogus, but wasn’t the competition fun anyway?”
There are certain sports that are absolutely battling corruption. Figure skating is one of them. Boxing is another. And in no way am I saying that corruption is part of the game. If a “Bad call” is the result of cheating or incompetence or corruption then that is one of the worst sins in all of sports. But the reality is that it is rarely the case. Especially in the “big sports” The reason is that we are talking about obscene amounts of money. That may sound like a reason to cheat, but it actually keeps things as “honest” as they can be. You see, if an NFL MLB or NBA ref “fixes” games then we are talking potentially billions of dollars of damages that could be sued for or even potential criminal charges filed. Prison is a reality.

For a Baseball fan to whine about a call is about as blind as you can get. Baseball is publically one of the most corrupt games now. That does not mean that the other sports are clean, but the amount of steroid and drug abuse that still goes on is astounding. Not to mention a clear history of cheating. (Shoeless joe) (Pete Rose) just to name the most well known. A Rod has to sit out a year. 1 year. And that is it. then, he swings away adding to the wins and home runs and RBI’s that he cheated to get. Imagine all the games won because of roids OF JUST THAT ONE MAN! Not to mention Bonds, Mcgwire, etc and the huge number of players that have never been caught.
But a call!? A Call is the reason “my” team lost, was eliminated, missed a perfect game!? You have got to be kidding me!

I played collegiate football. Bad calls were always available to blame a loss on. Funny, the teams that got into the habit of doing that were always the teams that lost more weeks than not. Notice that it is the end of the game that replay is mandatory or gets talked about. The powers that be just care about the appearance of the game. The fact is that a bad call with 6 minutes to go in the first quarter can decide the outcome of a game just as much as the bad call with 30 seconds left.

The real test is the players. Fans get all upset but watch and listen to the players. The VAST majority of the time they. move on. A bad call can cost an individual NFL player MILLIONS of dollars. Yet the leagues rules on silence of criticising the refs are obeyed.
I like the human element. Even if it means my team loses because of it. It is as much of any game as a “homefield advantage” or a baseball park being different dimensions in different places. Or elevation. Jason Elam was the best NFL kicker. don’t you think elevation had something to do with that? Don’t you think there is a reason a pitcher considers denver a career killer?

Cheating is a serious no no. ANd I said in my previous post that it should not be tolerated.
BUT go back and watch the officiating of the 1992 olympic Dream Team. The refs were HORRIBLE. Some of the worst called games of all time in that sport. The refs were not prepared for that type of game. But do you hear anyone complaining about it? No. Because “we won”
Baseball has killed itself. It has ignored its own cheating and time issues and tried to give the impression that replay some how makes the game better. 3 and a half hour games now have replay?! But they can’t seem to catch a steroid user even after the public is aware of the issue. ALl that replay and some manager still kicks dust on an umpire.:rolleyes:
You are the skating guru, so I bow to you on that sport. I have seen questionable tactics by judges there for sure. But almost anything that is “judged” lends itself to problems.
Tennis:
It has taken a dive as well in popularity. Gone are the days of Johnny Mac smashing an OJ table and screaming “Are you serious!” " You cannot be serious" Gone are the days of arguing a call. Now, we wait and watch “shot spot” decide if a microscopic piece of the ball touched a proton of paint on the court. All based on “technology”

IF it is cheating, it should be rooted out! But if it is just a bad call. It is part of the game. As much of the game as the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field, The green monster, or Jesus helping Notre Dame score a field goal.

There is a lot wrong with sports. The amount of money involved. The thugs that play no matter what their criminal or personal lives are like. Drugs, steroids, unions, owners, rule changes for “safety concerns” Layers, etc
Bad calls is not even on the radar.
“kill the ref” is the oldest excuse in the world, right up there with the sun was in my eyes.:rolleyes:

I just notice that the losers always whine about the calls, or the conditions. The winners walk away and prepare for next week.
 
I just notice that the losers always whine about the calls, or the conditions. The winners walk away and prepare for next week.
Hoosier Daddy, I appreciate your thoughtful post and think that there is a lot of truth in it.

But I would challenge the last sentence, quoted above.

A month ago, at Synchronized Skating Nationals (U.S.), the coach of the winning Junior team called for a review of the scores (which meant reviewing the videos, too). Her team had won by .5 points, in spite of a 1 point deduction for a fall.

This excellent coach, one of the best in the world, thought that her team might have taken two falls, not one, and should have had another point deducted, which would mean that the 2nd place team would win.

So the review was done, and the determination was made that the “fall” was not a true fall, but just a break in a line, so no deduction.

The coach explained that she didn’t want this competition to go down in history as a “bad call” and that everyone would be saying that her team should have lost . She wanted to make SURE that her teamed had earned that extra .5 point.

Isn’t that amazing and wonderful of this coach? There are a lot of good coaches in the sport, BTW, and most of the judges are excellent. They train for many years and pass some difficult tests before they earn the certification to judge figure skating. It’s not as bad as people think. I personally think that it’s the judging system that’s bad, especially the old 6.0 system, but the new system (IJS) needs some tweaking, too.
 
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