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I would like some advice on what to do regarding a meeting my wife and I had with our parish priest on Saturday. Let me set the stage…

Our previous priest (who “retired” around thanksgiving) last year had recommended Seton Home Study to us because of our inability due to location and money to send our son to a Catholic School, as well as our concern for the poor academics and a lot of what he was bringing home from his public school.

At the beginning of CCD this year, we were trying to insure that our son was there each week, my wife had just had a baby, and began returning to work a couple nights a week, and we work opposite schedules so we do not have to do a lot of child care. Anyway, to make a long story short, with sleeping schedules, no help from family (who are not RC and strongly opposed to it), the hour round trip to the church etc…etc… the priest told us not to worry about coming to CCD since he is getting a Catholic Education through Seton, and interacting with the other kids through the Catholic Homeschool group that met in our parish twice a month for Mass, confession, activities and field trips. He said it it was treated just as if he was attending school at a Catholic School.

Anyway, new priest, after my wife began having medical problems in December and surgery, we have not been able to get our son back to CCD, so scheduled a meeting with the new priest to discuss his sacraments. Our new priest claimed he had never heard “in all my 45 years as a priest” of home study in the Catholic Church. Furthermore, he said that Seton must be part of some offshoot group. When we presented him with his religion materials, he said since the book did not have the Imprimatur, it was useless. Finally, he began “examining” our son, ie. tell what the 4th commandment is, what are all teh commandments in order, the difference between a venial and mortal sin, what three conditions need to exist for a mortal sin… etc…etc… My son was actually able to answer everything… and even the priest said he was impressed at his knowledge of the basics of the faith. He said he would give him the sacraments.

He then began YELLING at us about being so “arrogant” as to take up his time to “examine” our son. He is not able to spend 15 minutes with each of the other children in CCD, therefore it was unfair for us to expect just because we do not attend CCD that he give us that time. He then began telling us that the whole “damn” thing was ridiculous, and that the the home school system was total “BS” (only he did not abbreviate, at which time we asked our son to leave for a little bit).

I asked how it would have been treated if he were going to a Catholic School and and he said that, “those people are a bunch of elitists too”! He then went on to say that Homestudy was anti-catholic etc…etc… I explained that there was actually several people in our parish (incluiding the lady who cleans his apartment) and other local parishes that homeschool and that we even have a Catholic homeschool group wich used to meet in our parish. He reiterated that it was just a bunch of “elitist BS”.

He then told us that we do not want to be Catholic. When I asked him why he would say this, he explained that it was because we wanted to be elitist!! I said so if we homestudy we are elitist’s and if our child attends a Catholic school we are also elitists according to you correct? He said “yes”. My wife then asked him point blank if he thought that our son should be attending public school, to which he replied, that would be fine, “because then you would have to attend CCD and not take up my time for this BS”.

Anyway, after his screaming and going on for some time, my wife was crying he would not calm down so we finally left, on the way to the car, our son asked us why the new priest was swearing at us… 😦

So my question is not so much with his position, everyone has a right to their opinion, but to his behavior. My best friend, who is a priest in another area of the diocese, suggested we just ignore it. Another close Catholic friend feels we should write to the bishop, because according to her, this is not the first time he has let loose on people for no apparent reason. (but that is hearsay)

My inclination is somewhere in the middle, i.e. to write him a letter and copy the bishop on it? His behavior was so irrational and violent (not physically) that I seriously would have throught he may be on drugs were it someone else.

Suggestions?
 
Report this disrespectful charlitan to the Bishop’s office. The priest exists to help the bishop serve the needs of the Church, not to impose his will and opinion at his whim. The Church has a chain of command, use it.
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SDA2RC:
I would like some advice on what to do regarding a meeting my wife and I had with our parish priest on Saturday. Let me set the stage…

Suggestions?
 
Unfortunately, this priest is probably living in the 1950’s when life was not so complicated and there were nuns everywhere to provide a Catholic education at nearly no cost and parents could live on one salary etc. You know what I mean. Say a prayer, take a deep breath and call the diocesan office and ask who is the dean aka the priest who is this priest’s superior. Compose a letter detailing your experience and be sure and sign it. Also request an appt. with the dean for a followup session. If that doesn’t work, write the bishop. And most importantly, each step of the way…pray, pray pray and keep taking your child to church. God will respond to you! Health and blessings to your whole family.
 
Remain faithful and mindful of all the Saints who have caught grief from priests for doing the right thing. You are following the mandates of the Church and if that makes you “elitist” in that man’s eyes, so be it. (I wonder what he’ll be like for a confession?) You guys are right and I am really impressed with your son’s knowlege of the faith. THAT ROCKS! (Please tell him that I said so, for what it’s worth.) A lot of Catholics and our non-Catholic friends can’t name the 10 commandments in order either. When I realized that myself I went outta my way to get them all down. BTW it makes a great openning for faith sharing with non-Catholics because for all their Bible talk, most times DO NOT know something as rudimentary as that.
Hold fast and stay your course. It also wouldn’t hurt to write that letter and copy it to the Bishop at least for FYI.
Pax vobiscum,
 
Can you attend a different Catholic Church? It seems as if he is having some sort of breakdown. I would report it lest someone else gets the same of worse treatment. That is horrible that your son heard this. I would pray for the priest, but leave that place. It is not one in which I could be comfortable. You might be a better person than me though.
 
Pray for the priest, that is the first thing to do. Kudos to everyone else that said: “Pray!”
There are no excuses for how your new priest acted. Before going to the bishop with this, I reccomend letting the priest know how his actions made you and your wife feel, and try to reconcile the situation first. If he still isn’t willing to be civil, take it to the bishops office, who will promptly deal with the situation. (If that doesnt work, then the next step up is the archbishop of your area. If that doesn’t work, then the nearest cardinal. If that doesn’t work, Bishop Wilton Gregory. And if that doesn’t work, contact the Papal Nuncio to the United States, who will in turn deal with the situation.)
I hope this resolves at the lowest level, as it could be a pain in the neck otherwise.
Keep praying!
God Bless,

Justin
 
I am concerned that he may be around school children. I think he needs to be reported to the diocese. Any Priest who doesn’t care if a child goes to Public School without knowing the quality of the school just doesn’t care enough to be a Pastor in my view. Do what you can to get him out of there. Help your son with forgiving him and don’t let him damage you child’s faith.
 
Things are a lot different around here. The priests in this area have been saying for decades that religious education and preparing children for the sacraments is the parents’ responsiblity.
 
Something is wrong with your Priest. He may be on the verge of a mental breakdown, he needs help. What you related of your meeting with him shows that he does not show an ability to council parishoners. To put it mildly. I know of a case that was much milder than yours that caused the man to leave the Church.

Your son showed a great knowledge of Catholic Training, congratulations.

If you were a relative of mine I would ask you to call the Bishop’s Office and find out who is your priests superior, and the address. I would ask you to carefully compose a factual letter stating why you wanted to meet with the Priest and how he reacted, fully. I would send a copy to his superior, then a week later I would send a copy to your Priest. I have known 2 Priests and 1 Monsenior and Oh Boy if they had heard a Priest talking as your Priest talked to you, they would “take charge”.
 
Print a copy of this thread and send it to your Bishop for clarification if the priest’s position and his behavior is officially supported by the church. Do not accuse or complain. Just ask for clarification and be sure to include as many direct quotes (with the actual words) as possible.

Don’t bother CC’ing your priest with advance warning – the bishop will be sure to give him a copy of your letter when it comes time for the priest to explain his actions…
 
I would be hesitant to include a copy of this thread. Your bishop will get the impression that you have gone outside the chain of command to discuss this publically before going to him.
 
When both of the priests in my parish were very ill, a natzi-esque Decon took over and tried to get us removed from the only parish we had ever gone too becuase we were using Seton, which was teaching us “Un-modern” things such as Baltimore Chatechism…I still recieved my confirmation there, but my brothers didn’t

They went to another parish, Transfig, where my parents fit into the role of only needing to go to Sunday Mass to be a Catholic, even though Transfig is a very old and staunch parish.

I go to a different parish, St. Johns, becasue they are more open-minded and have more fervor towards devotions of the church, weekly adoration, daily rosaries, pro life club, (men’s, women’s, teen, ccd clubs) its just a good environment…perhaps you can find another parish with an sound environment…I will pray that some sort of resolution comes of this.
 
make sure you don’t use inflammatory or provocative language. by toning it down, you will allow the bishop to read between the lines.

the word “screaming,” for instance, is very subjective. don’t use words like that because it will only make the bishop think you are being hysterical and looking to cause a problem and be dramatic.
 
As much as I do not like the idea of writing to the Bishop to complain about a priest, I really do think that you need to do a few things as already suggested:
  1. write a letter to the priest outlining why you feel that he has let you down in the way that he spoke to you.
  2. if you find it necessary to write to the Bishop, send him a copy of what you have written. If you do not send a copy it could inflame him even further.
  3. You could ask the Bishop to clarify the use of the Seton course.
  4. as already suggested, pray for this priest that he will be given grace by God to have a change of heart.
Maggie
 
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JimG:
I would be hesitant to include a copy of this thread. Your bishop will get the impression that you have gone outside the chain of command to discuss this publically before going to him.
You are correct. I meant to say that all of the points which he made within this thread should be included and expanded upon in his letter to the bishop and not to make a copy of this actual thread itself. I apologize for not making myself more clear the first time around.
 
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SDA2RC:
I would like some advice on what to do regarding a meeting my wife and I had with our parish priest on Saturday. Let me set the stage…

Our previous priest (who “retired” around thanksgiving) last year had recommended Seton Home Study to us because of our inability due to location and money to send our son to a Catholic School, as well as our concern for the poor academics and a lot of what he was bringing home from his public school.

At the beginning of CCD this year, we were trying to insure that our son was there each week, my wife had just had a baby, and began returning to work a couple nights a week, and we work opposite schedules so we do not have to do a lot of child care. Anyway, to make a long story short, with sleeping schedules, no help from family (who are not RC and strongly opposed to it), the hour round trip to the church etc…etc… the priest told us not to worry about coming to CCD since he is getting a Catholic Education through Seton, and interacting with the other kids through the Catholic Homeschool group that met in our parish twice a month for Mass, confession, activities and field trips. He said it it was treated just as if he was attending school at a Catholic School.

Anyway, new priest, after my wife began having medical problems in December and surgery, we have not been able to get our son back to CCD, so scheduled a meeting with the new priest to discuss his sacraments. Our new priest claimed he had never heard “in all my 45 years as a priest” of home study in the Catholic Church. Furthermore, he said that Seton must be part of some offshoot group. When we presented him with his religion materials, he said since the book did not have the Imprimatur, it was useless. Finally, he began “examining” our son, ie. tell what the 4th commandment is, what are all teh commandments in order, the difference between a venial and mortal sin, what three conditions need to exist for a mortal sin… etc…etc… My son was actually able to answer everything… and even the priest said he was impressed at his knowledge of the basics of the faith. He said he would give him the sacraments.

He then began YELLING at us about being so “arrogant” as to take up his time to “examine” our son. He is not able to spend 15 minutes with each of the other children in CCD, therefore it was unfair for us to expect just because we do not attend CCD that he give us that time. He then began telling us that the whole “damn” thing was ridiculous, and that the the home school system was total “BS” (only he did not abbreviate, at which time we asked our son to leave for a little bit).

I asked how it would have been treated if he were going to a Catholic School and and he said that, “those people are a bunch of elitists too”! He then went on to say that Homestudy was anti-catholic etc…etc… I explained that there was actually several people in our parish (incluiding the lady who cleans his apartment) and other local parishes that homeschool and that we even have a Catholic homeschool group wich used to meet in our parish. He reiterated that it was just a bunch of “elitist BS”.

He then told us that we do not want to be Catholic. When I asked him why he would say this, he explained that it was because we wanted to be elitist!! I said so if we homestudy we are elitist’s and if our child attends a Catholic school we are also elitists according to you correct? He said “yes”. My wife then asked him point blank if he thought that our son should be attending public school, to which he replied, that would be fine, “because then you would have to attend CCD and not take up my time for this BS”.

Anyway, after his screaming and going on for some time, my wife was crying he would not calm down so we finally left, on the way to the car, our son asked us why the new priest was swearing at us… 😦

So my question is not so much with his position, everyone has a right to their opinion, but to his behavior. My best friend, who is a priest in another area of the diocese, suggested we just ignore it. Another close Catholic friend feels we should write to the bishop, because according to her, this is not the first time he has let loose on people for no apparent reason. (but that is hearsay)

My inclination is somewhere in the middle, i.e. to write him a letter and copy the bishop on it? His behavior was so irrational and violent (not physically) that I seriously would have throught he may be on drugs were it someone else.

Suggestions?
 
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misericordie:
It is the very self absorbed idiot priests like this(excuse me but this guy really angers me) who have lately caused scandal in the church. If anyone is BS ARROGANT!!! It is that guy who passes as a priest. I am so sorry to hear this happened to true catholics as you and your family. It would be wonderful if you can state just as you did here in exact detail a letter to the BISHOP of the diocese demanding an apology for the SCANDLE that that priest cause, and his vulgaity by using profanity in fromt of your child: state it just like this!! Write also stating that that priest seems not to be aware of the current crisis in the Catholic Church in the USA, and the ETHICAL behavior demanded NOW of priests in the presence of minors, which includes using fowl language. My take is that your son is more theologicall prepared by than that left wing priest who seems to have gone to the seminary but the seminary nver entered his mind and feeble intelect.
Let us know the response you get from the Bishop, and also I would write a letter to the President of the Conference of Catholic Bishops.
 
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Fitz:
Can you attend a different Catholic Church? It seems as if he is having some sort of breakdown. I would report it lest someone else gets the same of worse treatment. That is horrible that your son heard this. I would pray for the priest, but leave that place. It is not one in which I could be comfortable. You might be a better person than me though.
ME TOO!!! I would leave that parish, in today’d world there are more than one parsih per location. This guy needs psychological help and anger management, leave until a new priest comes even if it takes years. Priets like this unless they change usually end up leaving the priesthood altogether, or living a DOUBLE LIFE!!
 
Sir Knight:
Print a copy of this thread and send it to your Bishop for clarification if the priest’s position and his behavior is officially supported by the church. Do not accuse or complain. Just ask for clarification and be sure to include as many direct quotes (with the actual words) as possible.

Don’t bother CC’ing your priest with advance warning – the bishop will be sure to give him a copy of your letter when it comes time for the priest to explain his actions…
YUP!, Also is this priest diocesan or a member of an order, find out: if an order member write to both the Provincial superir AND the Bishop. YES MAIL copies of this thread.
 
Everyone,
Thanks for your responses…

We will be switching to a new parish, primarily because I do not want my son to see this as an example of appropriate behavior by a priest. There is another parish, about 15 miles further away that has a great priest (who has been a guest on CA before) and has agreed to let our son have his first communion and penance in his parish. He know my son because he now performs the Mass, Confessions and attends the activties of the Home School group.

I will be writing a letter to the bishop, and plan on keeping it very factual and as non-condemning as possible. I do not want to write off this priests 45 years of ministry in the church, but on the other hand, he needs to at least be questioned regarding his actions. I plan on referencing the diocese Safe Enviroment Policy with among other things, deals directly with using profanity and verbal agression with parishoners, and more particularly minors.

All the rsponses really validated my feelings that this type of behavior was irregular and not acceptable.

Thanks all!!!

Brandon
 
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