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I have been recently having these weird bad thoughts. They are immoral thoughts. I keep hearing this voice that seems to be saying bad things about God and Jesus. Anyone know what to do?
Is this considered a sin?
Thanks!
 
I have been recently having these weird bad thoughts. They are immoral thoughts. I keep hearing this voice that seems to be saying bad things about God and Jesus. Anyone know what to do?
Is this considered a sin?
Thanks!
If you don’t mind me asking how old are you? How long do these thoughts last for? Do they cause you stress?
 
They are temptations, but they are not a sin if you do not consent to them and if you try to dismiss them right away rather than dwell on them.

On the other hand, you should do whatever you can to avoid them. Perhaps you have heard of “garbage in, garbage out.” If you fill your mind with bad things — inappropriate reading, music, TV and movies, pornography, bad conversation, hanging out with the wrong people, etc., all these things can make an environment in your mind that is very susceptible to bad thoughts.

You can discuss this problem with your priest/confessor when you go to confession, even if you do not think you are guilty of sin. He should be able to give you more specific guidance.
 
15 and they just started
If you are saying that that you are 15 years old, then I would say that this could be partly because of puberty. However, Immoral thoughts aren’t something that can be grown out of. Everybody has them in one way for another. Just remember that if you stop these thoughts immediately, then it isn’t a sin. I would suggest that you talk to a priest that you feel comfortable with and that you pray. (maybe the rosary)
 
A prayer:

Sancte Michael Archangele, defende nos in proelio; contra nequitiam et insidias diaboli esto praesidium. Imperat illi Deus; supplices deprecamur: tuque, Princeps militiae coelestis, Satanam aliosque spiritus malignos, qui ad perditionem animarum pervagantur in mundo, divina virtute in infernum detrude. Amen

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English translation:

Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in the battle, be our safeguard and protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil; may God rebuke him, we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.

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Here’s one I made up, for when noxious thoughts oppress you:

“Begone devil, and take your allies with you, for the Lord Jesus Christ, by his Cross and Resurrection, had gained dominion over ye forever!”

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I’m not a priest, so you might get better advice than that.

Some more ideas:

Go to confession once a week;
Take communion at least once a week;
Go to bed early, and eat nourishing food;
Avoid violent or sexual media (films, books) or anything with swearing;
Keep Holy pictures in your house where you can see them;
Wear a crucifix or other traditional religious medal(s);
Fast;
Abstain.
 
Laudetur Jesus Christus:

Dear brother in Christ,

What you are experiencing may be a religious manifestation of Obsessive Compulsive disorder. This is a cross that our Lord Jesus Christ, in his great mercy and wisdom, has lovingly chosen for you. He does this neither as a punishment nor out of any malicious intent. Jesus, the God of mercy and compassion, does this in order to allow you to unite your suffering with his sorrowful passion, and draw closer to his loving self.

You need to understand that these thoughts are NOT sinful. These thoughts will come into your mind, and your brain will try to convince you that you have committed a grave sin. What you must do is, no matter how much your brain tells you that you are in mortal sin, you must ignore these impulses like they where the voice of Satan. The disorder will not impair your reasoning faculties as long as you put all your trust I them. There will be an impulse of the brain trying to convince you of some horrible occurrence will happen if you do not do exactly what it wants. You need to use your reasoning and put all your trust in it. With the help of our Lord, and the complexity of the brain he created, you can rewire your brain to work around the problem. Trust your reasoning faculties. They are a gift from God.

Now everyone gets weird thoughts once and a while; it is normal. It becomes a problem when these thoughts are repetitive and intrusive. I am not a doctor so I cannot make a diagnosis. I can give you a recommendation based on about 7 years of experience with this disorder. My suggestion is to put what I have stated above into practice. If the disorder is manifesting itself it is possible that you may be able to prevent the symptoms from becoming clinical and requiring medication to treatment. However, as soon as that disorder starts giving you emotional distress, I would recommend taking it to your general practitioner.

Yours in Christ,

Matthias
 
I have been recently having these weird bad thoughts. They are immoral thoughts. I keep hearing this voice that seems to be saying bad things about God and Jesus. Anyone know what to do?
Is this considered a sin?
Thanks!
You know, nothing against the other posters. But you really should go and see a doctor if you are hearing voices. A doctor has the expertise to help you with this.
 
You know, nothing against the other posters. But you really should go and see a doctor if you are hearing voices. A doctor has the expertise to help you with this.
If he is hearing voices as a hallucination, then yes, I would agree with you. But it may just be the way he described having unbeckoned thoughts.
 
I have been recently having these weird bad thoughts. They are immoral thoughts. I keep hearing this voice that seems to be saying bad things about God and Jesus. Anyone know what to do?
Is this considered a sin?
Thanks!
Joe, I am going by personal experience and I’m not saying these are the reason’s, just considerations. Do you have any resentment issues? I have a problem reconciling with certain lose’s and they manifest in this way. Tim
 
I have been recently having these weird bad thoughts. They are immoral thoughts. I keep hearing this voice that seems to be saying bad things about God and Jesus. Anyone know what to do?
Is this considered a sin?
Thanks!
The Son speaks to the bride: “What are you worried and anxious about?” She answered: “I am afflicted by various useless thoughts that I cannot get rid of, and hearing about your terrible judgment upsets me.” The Son answered:
"This is truly just. Earlier you found pleasure in worldly desires against my will, but now different thoughts are allowed to come to you against your will.

But have a prudent fear of God, and put great trust in me, your God, knowing for certain that when your mind does not take pleasure in sinful thoughts but struggles against them by detesting them, then they become a purgation and a crown for the soul. But if you take pleasure in committing even a slight sin, which you know to be a sin, and you do so trusting to your own abstinence and presuming on grace, without doing penance and reparation for it, know that it can become a mortal sin. Accordingly, if some sinful …

READ THE REAST AT, www.saintbirgitta.com - book 3, chapter 19 (too long chapter to post here)
 
If he is hearing voices as a hallucination, then yes, I would agree with you. But it may just be the way he described having unbeckoned thoughts.
The difference between OCD and a Psychotic disorder is the person is not actually hearing voices.

The way I think of it is like this:

Have you ever been driving somwhere and started day dreaming, and soon after noticed that you have arrived at your destination without consciously thinking about driving? This is your sub conscious mind at work. If your subconscious mind it complex enough to navigate traffic then it is complex enough to spit up unwanted thoughts into your conscious mind. These thoughts may take the form of voices or phrases. The distinction between hallucinations and intrusive thoughts is that you hear intrusive thoughts in your minds ear. With hallucinations you actually hear these things.

The intrusive voices in your mind’s ear are actually caused by intense desire by your conscious mind to not think about these thoughts. Because you desire you avoid these thoughts with all the fiber in your being, you create a thought avoidance paradox.

Therefore the more you try to avoid these thoughts, and the more you try to suppress them, they will occur increasingly vivid and more frequent. The human brain it quite malleable, it can rewire it’s self. This has many positive and negative consequences. Unfortunately for the OCD sufferer, who usually has damaged receptors for the neurotransmitter Serotonin, they tend to freak out about these thoughts. They may think these thoughts make them a bad person, an unfit parent, or may put them in mortal sin. They try to suppress these thoughts more and more fervently. Because of this the thoughts get more vivid and more frequent. It starts a vicious circle, that eventually causes the person to develop a clinical disorder.

The best way the combat this effect is to recognize when your brain is malfunctioning. Use your reason to deduce when this is happening. Once you recognize the error, just think to your self “Ok, this is just a glitch. Don’t worry about it.” Then ignore the thought.( The thoughts will not make logical sense.

For example: “I just checked the back door. I am 100% certain I checked it. My brain is telling me that I am imagining it, or I didn’t check it thoroughly. It is telling me that if I don’t check it again I am going to be robbed. This doesn’t make sense because I know I checked it. However I want to check it again.”

Trust your reasoning. You know it doesn’t make sense. Just think to yourself “It is a glitch, don’t worry about it.” Even if it tries to make you think that if you don’t check on it, you will be worried about it the whole time you are out. (The disorder LOVES to do that:p )

If you don’t trust your reasoning and check the door again. It will be even harder to resist the next time. Eventually you will be checking to door twice, then three times, then four times. Eventually you will not be able to leave the house because you can’t stop checking the door. You MUST resist it.

The good news is the same effect that causes your OCD to get worse, can also improve your condition. The more you resist, the easier it will be to resist next time. It will eventually get to a state where you still get those intrusive thoughts, but you will have complete mastery over your condition.
 
The difference between OCD and a Psychotic disorder is the person is not actually hearing voices.

The way I think of it is like this:

Have you ever been driving somwhere and started day dreaming, and soon after noticed that you have arrived at your destination without consciously thinking about driving? This is your sub conscious mind at work. If your subconscious mind it complex enough to navigate traffic then it is complex enough to spit up unwanted thoughts into your conscious mind. These thoughts may take the form of voices or phrases. The distinction between hallucinations and intrusive thoughts is that you hear intrusive thoughts in your minds ear. With hallucinations you actually hear these things.

The intrusive voices in your mind’s ear are actually caused by intense desire by your conscious mind to not think about these thoughts. Because you desire you avoid these thoughts with all the fiber in your being, you create a thought avoidance paradox.

Therefore the more you try to avoid these thoughts, and the more you try to suppress them, they will occur increasingly vivid and more frequent. The human brain it quite malleable, it can rewire it’s self. This has many positive and negative consequences. Unfortunately for the OCD sufferer, who usually has damaged receptors for the neurotransmitter Serotonin, they tend to freak out about these thoughts. They may think these thoughts make them a bad person, an unfit parent, or may put them in mortal sin. They try to suppress these thoughts more and more fervently. Because of this the thoughts get more vivid and more frequent. It starts a vicious circle, that eventually causes the person to develop a clinical disorder.

The best way the combat this effect is to recognize when your brain is malfunctioning. Use your reason to deduce when this is happening. Once you recognize the error, just think to your self “Ok, this is just a glitch. Don’t worry about it.” Then ignore the thought.( The thoughts will not make logical sense.

For example: “I just checked the back door. I am 100% certain I checked it. My brain is telling me that I am imagining it, or I didn’t check it thoroughly. It is telling me that if I don’t check it again I am going to be robbed. This doesn’t make sense because I know I checked it. However I want to check it again.”

Trust your reasoning. You know it doesn’t make sense. Just think to yourself “It is a glitch, don’t worry about it.” Even if it tries to make you think that if you don’t check on it, you will be worried about it the whole time you are out. (The disorder LOVES to do that:p )

If you don’t trust your reasoning and check the door again. It will be even harder to resist the next time. Eventually you will be checking to door twice, then three times, then four times. Eventually you will not be able to leave the house because you can’t stop checking the door. You MUST resist it.

The good news is the same effect that causes your OCD to get worse, can also improve your condition. The more you resist, the easier it will be to resist next time. It will eventually get to a state where you still get those intrusive thoughts, but you will have complete mastery over your condition.
I’m going to assume you are clarifying and not correcting me, because I agree that they are different. Regardless, I would say the thoughts themselves are not sinful, just like any other thoughts or temptations. And I don’t know myself what to do about them.
 
15 and they just started
Hang in there, Joe. You’re already well ahead of your ‘problem’ by just recognizing it at 15. Will you be a sophomore next year? I teach sophomores. If so, Joe, *GET READY FOR WORLD HISTORY, PODNA. *😃 👍 😃
 
The difference between OCD and a Psychotic disorder is the person is not actually hearing voices.

The way I think of it is like this:

Have you ever been driving somwhere and started day dreaming, and soon after noticed that you have arrived at your destination without consciously thinking about driving? This is your sub conscious mind at work. If your subconscious mind it complex enough to navigate traffic then it is complex enough to spit up unwanted thoughts into your conscious mind. These thoughts may take the form of voices or phrases. The distinction between hallucinations and intrusive thoughts is that you hear intrusive thoughts in your minds ear. With hallucinations you actually hear these things.

The intrusive voices in your mind’s ear are actually caused by intense desire by your conscious mind to not think about these thoughts. Because you desire you avoid these thoughts with all the fiber in your being, you create a thought avoidance paradox.

Therefore the more you try to avoid these thoughts, and the more you try to suppress them, they will occur increasingly vivid and more frequent. The human brain it quite malleable, it can rewire it’s self. This has many positive and negative consequences. Unfortunately for the OCD sufferer, who usually has damaged receptors for the neurotransmitter Serotonin, they tend to freak out about these thoughts. They may think these thoughts make them a bad person, an unfit parent, or may put them in mortal sin. They try to suppress these thoughts more and more fervently. Because of this the thoughts get more vivid and more frequent. It starts a vicious circle, that eventually causes the person to develop a clinical disorder.

The best way the combat this effect is to recognize when your brain is malfunctioning. Use your reason to deduce when this is happening. Once you recognize the error, just think to your self "Ok, this is just a glitch.
:rotfl: I’m a computer programmer, so that sounded kind of funny. 🙂 I often get those intrusive, repetitive thoughts, especially when trying to concentrate on something (like work, prayer, at church (! - I think I get a little scruptulous about that one sometimes. I’d hate to have bad, repetitive thoughts just before Holy Communion), or reading CAF… 🤷 ). I guess MyBrain 2.0 will be available in Heaven. 😃
 
Suggestions:
  1. Get into the habit of saying a repetitive prayer like:
    “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Have Mercy On Me, A Sinner”
  2. Put some hymns on your Ipod, especially monks doing Gregorian chant.
  3. Avoid violent or sexual media.
The idea is to put something worthy repeating in your mind, instead of the usual junk. It’s a trick!

e.g. We have a sung Latin Mass near where I live, and I find later the hymns repeating in my mind later on. Much better than some cheesy pop song!
 
I have been recently having these weird bad thoughts. They are immoral thoughts. I keep hearing this voice that seems to be saying bad things about God and Jesus. Anyone know what to do?
Is this considered a sin?
Thanks!
not knowing what these immoral thoughts are I cannot give you advice save that you should pray and perhaps go to Eucaristic Adoration. As for the voices, are they audible voices or voices of doubt. Some have suggested OCD, but I would not jump to conclusions, thats only hallucination voices, not inner doubt questions, if thats what you are experiencing. First, this doesn’t sound sinful, it sounds like you are having doubts or something of that nature, again without details I cannot go further. I would recommend that you talk to your parents or your parish priest about this. Trust in God! He won’t put too much on your shoulders that you cannot handle, seek his help! If you are concerned about telling your parents then go see your priest. They are usually somewhat skilled in rudimentary psych and greatly skilled in spiritual matters, so he will be in a good position to help you. May God be with you, to protect you and lead you, dear child of God.
 
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