Bad Words in Modern Music?

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Is listening to modern music containing some (as in, not a lot of) curse words, reading people’s comments that has a few curse words, hearing curse words (I’m guessing no for this one), and reading a book with curse words considered a sin?

I don’t like to curse or swear, but everywhere I go there always seems to be something mean being said. Is it a sin on my part if I’m hearing someone else’s bad words? I doubt it, but it’s been on my mind for a while now.
 
I won’t give an answer because I don’t know the answer. However, I would like to know and see this thread get active.

I like the Beatles, but some of their songs aren’t fully in-line with Catholic teaching. Hopefully listening to them isn’t a sin.
 
First, the Beatles. I listened to their music as it came out. At first, it was about love. Then, it focused on drug use: Strawberry Fields, and what was referred to as psychedelic, which included LSD and a particular style of artwork that sprang up during the period. It surprised me to learn that the 1966 song, “Got to get you into my life” which I thought was about a young man pining away for a young lady was actually Paul McCartney pining away for marijuana (Many Years From Now, published in 1998).

I no longer tolerate bad words in music. There are decades and decades of recordings that did without them. But, I’ve noticed the cultural engineers in the media are trying to infiltrate bad words into common usage. I refuse to buy any book or magazine that includes them, and I’ve had to throw out a few books that included them.

I don’t believe the current marketing campaign that tells us “there’s no such thing as bad language.” Of course there is. So don’t pour water on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

Peace,
Ed
 
Is listening to modern music containing some (as in, not a lot of) curse words, reading people’s comments that has a few curse words, hearing curse words (I’m guessing no for this one), and reading a book with curse words considered a sin?

I don’t like to curse or swear, but everywhere I go there always seems to be something mean being said. Is it a sin on my part if I’m hearing someone else’s bad words? I doubt it, but it’s been on my mind for a while now.
NO! You guys need to relax. I feel like I am close to God and I listen to a lot of hip-hop that is rife with swearing. There is not necessarily a conflict.
 
Is it a sin on my part if I’m hearing someone else’s bad words?
If one is minding their business and overhears someone swearing, they did not choose to hear it and therefore are not culpable of anything. Remember, sin is in the will.

Now, if one deliberately seeks out swearing to listen to it, that is likely a different story. I have no idea how grave the matter is (I don’t foresee it as easily exceeding the bounds of venial) so maybe someone else can fill in there with some Catechism.

Pax
 
NO! You guys need to relax. I feel like I am close to God and I listen to a lot of hip-hop that is rife with swearing. There is not necessarily a conflict.
What you feel is not relevant. How well you adhere to Gods commandments is what matters.

Mainstream FM radio Hip-Hop is nothing but pornographic sex chanting. You really need to examine what you are listening to to see if it is in line with what God wants you to be listening to. You are weaker and the devil is stronger than you think. Don’t overestimate yourself nor underestimate Satan.

I have many CD’s where I will skip over songs. I’ve thrown entire CD’s in the trash, bands that I love for one reason or another, and which I’ve decided I can no longer listen to because of gratuitous cursing, references to premarital sex, etc. Its just part of the cross I have to bear as a Christian and you know what, my life didn’t end. I’ve given up something for God’s glory and there is grace in that.

If someone is posting in a Catholic forum, worrying about cursing in the music they listen to, then I would suggest that something is going on in that person’s concience. It could be a sign that one is maturing spiritually, putting away the old self and putting on Christ. At least I hope so.

You should sing spiritual songs to our Lady like the Salve Regina. Sing the Tantem Ergo to our Eucharistic Lord! There is nothing like the sound of forty men singing “Holy God we Priase Thy Name” at the end of a Bennediction of the Blessed Sacrament or the angelic sounds of vespers sung by Cistercian Monks.

-Tim-
 
Good question!

Bad words are a good indication that a song is sinful to listen to, but I wouldn’t say that it means if there is so much as one bad word in a song that it is automatically a sin to listen to it.

I’d focus more on the song’s general mood and tone. Songs that encourage sinful activities like getting drunk, premarital sex, drugs, violence, etc. These are songs that should be avoided and are sinful to listen to. Unfortunately, a lot of modern music falls under this category.

Music can have a profound influence on the soul, so air on the side of caution and just stick with music you KNOW isn’t sinful. Stuff like Christian music, or “softer” sounding music are a pretty safe bet.

Hope that helps!
 
I don’t think it is necessarily a sin, just listening to the music. I mean, being a teen, all the music that comes out today for my demographic has swearing/sex/violence in it. I like listening to music for the music itself. I don’t that it is a problem unless the songs tempt you towards lust or other sins.

However, I would always encourage you to listen to more Christian music. A lot of those songs have a good beat and good lyrics! 👍
 
I can’t believe how much power some people allow a simple combination of letters to have over them.

Butt is ok… A** is not.

Poop is ok… S*** is not.

Now, granted the words used in modern music usually go well above and beyond the simple examples above but seriously? Do you honestly believe God wants you to make sure you say poop instead of s***? People are always talking about how such things will desensitize you. Have those of you that think this ever thought that maybe you’re over sensitve???

Now… using the Lord’s name in vain in a song? I can see the point in making an argument against that.
 
I think sometimes we can confuse matters like these and stray in to Puritanism.

I see what I would consider to be something akin to a Puritan attitude sometimes expressed by some posters on this forum, which saddens me because Catholicism is more open minded than that imho.

In my experience Catholicisim is not prudish.

The key for me is how one approaches a work of art, as much if not more so than the work of art itself (be it a book/painting/music/film etc).

Catholicism has always had an intellectual tradition that studies the culture and reflects upon it from a Catholic mindset and basis of faith.

I dont think that Catholicism should be blinkered in its approach to the world but should engage with the culture, rather than seek to avoid the world as it is.

The key is what goes on in one’s head when doing so, which is where one’s faith and the Catholic world view comes in.
 
I think sometimes we can confuse matters like these and stray in to Puritanism.

I see what I would consider to be something akin to a Puritan attitude sometimes expressed by some posters on this forum, which saddens me because Catholicism is more open minded than that imho.

In my experience Catholicisim is not prudish.

The key for me is how one approaches a work of art, as much if not more so than the work of art itself (be it a book/painting/music/film etc).

Catholicism has always had an intellectual tradition that studies the culture and reflects upon it from a Catholic mindset and basis of faith.

I dont think that Catholicism should be blinkered in its approach to the world but should engage with the culture, rather than seek to avoid the world as it is.

The key is what goes on in one’s head when doing so, which is where one’s faith and the Catholic world view comes in.
I am suspicious whenever I see the word prude being a big concern. At one time, the mass media was concerned about Catholic sensibilities. Movies and TV programs were mostly inoffensive. There were standards and limits reflective of Catholic standards and limits.

But as time passed, “pushing the envelope” had to occur. The full phrase is “pushing the envelope of what people find acceptable.” Which people? Christian people. Those already engaged in alternative lifestyles tried to present their worldviews as appealing, or even superior to the then current standards.

The Catholic worldview is today generally rejected by the mainstream media and certainly the fine arts world. The “world as it is” has been formed. It did not accidentally reach this point in its development culturally.

The current reflections coming from the Church includes observations about the rise of Indifference. “Hey. What’s the big deal?” Either there is truth or there isn’t. Either there are reasonable limits on behavior or there aren’t. There are absolutes, regardless of what passing fancy the media latches onto.

I would ask you consider that at one time movies and music spoke of love and romance and devotion. Today, a young woman meets a man in a movie, they have sex, and part ways. The same on TV.

Today, the common character template is embodied in the Dysfunctional. There is no way to engage with a culture that treats love and sex as throwaway items. I suggest you read the following:

vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_29061936_vigilanti-cura_en.html

God will not force you to love Him. The Church will not force you to attend Mass. I work in the media and most of my friends are artists and writers, with a few musicians and photographers. The counterculture of the 1960s radicals has been realized in some ways. Catholics are now, in many ways, the counterculture. The barbarians are no longer at the gates. They are producing music, movies and TV programs that rarely reflect anything recognizable as having some virtue. The anti-hero has, in some cases, replaced the true hero.

I watched Frank Zappa appear in Washington, D.C. to tell our government that those words on record albums are just words. What he actually said was everyone should simply accept those words based on little more than his say so. Lenny Bruce, arrested on obscenity charges, was recently pardoned by the Mayor of New York. And so it goes.

The Church will speak clearly and remain ever vigilant.

Peace,
Ed
 
I am just writing a thesis on satanic content of popular music and i have researched into this subject to a great extent. I can confirm that a lot of art is satanic and deceiving. What you see in media is open promotion of ‘carnal over spiritual’, ‘indulgence rather than abstinence’ - main satanic concepts. I also realised that particularly our church is under attack. Just watch some of the videos of Lady Gaga and you will see how she abuses some of our most sacred symbols. It’s hard to say whether listening to such music is classified as sin, but it’s certainly dangerous as it contains subliminal messages which urge to hatred, premarital sex and drug use. Most importantly, they urge to losing your religion…
 
I am conflicted on this issue.

If the reason you like music is because of the raunchy lyrics, then you are probably sinning.

Some artists affect my mood negatively (Korn, NiN), and I stopped listening to them. If certain music affects me negatively and I continue to listen to it, then I am sinning. Similar analogies can be made to movies, TV, books, etc.
You really need to examine what you are listening to to see if it is in line with what God wants you to be listening to. You are weaker and the devil is stronger than you think. Don’t overestimate yourself nor underestimate Satan.

I have many CD’s where I will skip over songs.
I am a huge fan of Frank Zappa’s music. The man was the best guitarist I’ve had the pleasure to see in concert. He was very prolific, but unfortunately a significant amount of his material is offensive (sexual in nature). Although I do not want to admit it, I must admit that some of his lyrics have affected my attitudes - they desensitized me. While I do still listen to him (guilty pleasure), there are many of his songs I skip over (or only listen to the instrumental versions).

If something is leading me from Christ, I try to avoid it.

I still listen to some music with a message that is contrary to christian values. I think it is a matter of degree. If a majority of my listening is “bad”, then I should stop. If it is the exception rather than the rule, I’m probably fine.

We are all sinners, and I suspect for most of us the music we listen to is NOT our biggest flaw.
 
It may not be the biggest flaw for some but isn’t the whole point to put every thought in obedience to Christ? Yes, Zappa was very good with the guitar but he obviously thought bad words on record albums, not just his, were OK. Who put him in charge of raising anybody? If a parent tells their children certain words are bad, do they suddenly stop being bad when you’re an adult? Wouldn’t you pass this lesson on to your own kids?

That’s what we’re talking about here. And that’s how desensitization occurs - very slowly. You first think, oh that’s not so bad, and before you know it, it gets worse, much worse. Pope John Paul II talked about people being desensitized to sin. Pope Benedict is speaking about too many living as if God does not exist.

I do creative work for a living. I counsel young writers and artists, and the company I work for has limits on what can and cannot be said or shown. And I took Life Drawing in college so I’m not afraid of nudity, and I worked in a hospital for almost ten years, and there was some nudity there as well.

We are called to live virtuous lives.

Peace,
Ed
 
I don’t mind swear words; I don’t even mind the really bad swear words such as the F bomb.

However, I will not, or at least try not to listen to a song that specifically takes the Lord’s name in vain on a repetitive basis. I have a cd which actually is a decent cd for the most part, but one of the songs is called God D****t, and I try to always skip this song when I’m playing the cd.
 
I would concern myself more with the context of the swear words and the meaning of the whole song in general.

And contrary as to what many ‘anti-swearing’ oh so pure Christians here, take a crash course in linguistics. You’re promoting myths and religious superstitions that have long been debunked, dispelled, and dispersed into the wind.

Strings of symbols and sounds have no inherent value.
 
How about using God’s name in these songs? and would singing these songs be sinful?

Jack’s mannequin- kill the messenger

Oh my God, this hurts like hell
I had that dream again where
I was lost for good in outer space
Tell me, doctor, how to shake
A waking nightmare that is only
Worse when I am sleeping


Kill the messenger
I swear it’s not me
It’s just someone I used to know
And get to church cause you’re a good girl
And he never told you that
And all I need from you
Could be the thing that
Leaves us both up here forever
I’m gonna send a little rain your way
I’m gonna send a little rain…

It’s not so easy, caving in
I walked by your apartment twice today
While you were gone at work
And all the colors got so down
It’s not as cold out here
But come quick, I am losing feeling

Kill the messenger
I swear it’s not me
It’s just someone I used to know
And get to church cause you’re a good girl
And he never told you that
And all I need from you
Could be the thing that
Leaves us both up here forever
I’m gonna send a little rain your way
I’m gonna send a little rain, send a little rain

I’m gonna send a little rain to pour down on you
Rain that makes the flowers bloom
Rain to leave you all alone
That keeps eyelashes falling
And wishes washed away

Kill the messenger
I swear it’s not me
It’s just someone I used to know
And get to church cause you’re a good girl
And he never told you that
And all I need from you
Could be the thing that
Leaves us both up here forever
I’m gonna send a little rain your way
I’m gonna send a little rain…
I’m gonna send a little rain your way

Format- first single:

I can’t stand to think about
A heart so big it hurts like hell
Oh my God I gave my best
But for three whole years to end like this


Well do you want to fall apart
I can’t stop if you cant start
Do you want to fall apart
I could if you can try to fix what I’ve undone
Cause I hate what I’ve become

You know me,
Oh you think you do you, you just dont seem to see
I’ve been waiting all this time to be
Something I can’t define so let’s
Cause a scene
Clap our hands and stomp our feet or something
Yeah something
I’ve just got to get myself over me

I could stand to do without
All the people I have left behind
Whats the point in going around
When it’s a straight line baby, a straight line down

So lets make a list of who we need
And its not much, if anything
Lets make a list of who we need
And we’ll throw it away cause we dont need anyone
No we dont need anyone

You know me,
Oh you think you do you, you just dont seem to see
I’ve been waiting all this time to be
Something I can’t define so let’s
Cause a scene
Clap our hands and stomp our feet or something
Yeah something
I’ve just got to get myself over me
And I hate what I’ve become…

You know the night life is just not for me
Cause all you really need are a few good friends
I don’t want to go out and be on my own
You know they started something I can’t stand

You leave for the city, well count me out
'Cause all this time is wasted on
Well, everything I’ve done

You know me,
Oh you think you do you, you just dont seem to see
I’ve been waiting all this time to be
Something I can’t define so let’s
Cause a scene
Clap our hands and stomp our feet or something
Yeah something
I’ve just got to get myself over me
You know me,
Oh you think you do you, you just dont seem to see
I’ve been waiting all this time to be something I can’t define
So let’s cause a scene
Clap our hands and stomp our feet or something
Yeah something
I’ve just got to get myself over me, yeh, over me, yeh, over me

I covereed both of these songs, and would covering those songs be sinful, or even mortally sinful? I am scrupulous, and wasn’t sure at first whether covering these songs would be mortally sinful, since it wasn’t my intention to use the Lord’s name, but the intent of the composers. I think “the first single” could be a prayer or statement to God (don’t know the composer’s intention). As of Kill the messenger, is it blasphemy if the composer is showing his pain?

Not sure. But because I am scrupulous, I was thinking of posting my cover on facebook, and am unsure if carrying that out would be a mortal sin.
 
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