Bahira codes in Quran.

[Sam_777]

Last Friday Fr. Zakaria explained Bahira codes in Quran, and how Bahira encoded some verses in Quran which are pointing to the divinity of Jesus (after he saw how Muhammed have gained power and was unstoppable).

The code table called in Arabic “جدول حساب الجمّل” (English: Abjad numerals) (aka: sentences calculation table), it maps each Arabic letter to a numerical value, and it was used during Muhammed days per the hadith at the end of this post, here is the table:

(Reference#1), (Reference#2), (Reference#3).

If we go back to Quran which has some weird verses that no one of the Islamic commentators have found logical explanation to them:

A) The verses which have one Arabic letter (ن)،(ق)،(ص), are found in (Quran 68:1),(Quran 50:1),(Quran 38:1).
B) The verses which have two Arabic letters and not repeated (طس)،(يس)،(طه), are found in (Quran 27:1),(Quran 36:1),(Quran 20:1).
C) The verses which have two Arabic letters and repeated seven times (حم), are found in (Quran 40:1),(Quran 41:1),(Quran 42:1),(Quran 43:1),(Quran 44:1),(Quran 45:1),(Quran 46:1).
D) The verses which have three Arabic letters and repeated two times only (طسم), are found in (Quran 26:1),(Quran 28:1).
E) The verses which have three Arabic letters and repeated six times (الم), are found in (Quran 2:1),(Quran 3:1),(Quran 29:1),(Quran 30:1),(Quran 31:1),(Quran 32:1).
F) The verses which have three Arabic letters and repeated five times (الر), are found in (Quran 10:1),(Quran 11:1),(Quran 12:1),(Quran 14:1),(Quran 15:1).
G) The verses which have four Arabic letters (المر)،(المص), are found in (Quran 13:1),(Quran 7:1).
H) The verses which have five Arabic letters (كهيعص)،‏(حم عسق), are found in (Quran 19:1),(Quran 42:1-2).

Now if we used that Abjad numerals with the above groups we would get the following:

A) 50 + 100 + 90 = 240, which equals (Arabic: “المسيح والله واحد”) (English: Jesus & God are one).
B) (9+60) + (10+60) + (9+5) = 153, which equals (Arabic: “كلاهما إلهاً واحد”) (English: Both are one God).
C) (8+40) X 7 = 336, which equals (Arabic: “يسوع هو ابن الإله الوحيد”) (English: Jesus is only Son of God).
D) (9+60+40) X 2 = 218, which equals (Arabic: “الآب والابن هم إله أحد” (English: The Father & Son are one God).
E) (1+30+40) X 6 = 426, which equals (Arabic: “يسوع هو صٌلب وقام”) (English: Jesus crucified and raised).
F) (1+30+200) X 5 = 1155, which equals (Arabic:“الخلاص هو دم المسيح المصلوب”) (English: Salvation is the blood of crucified Jesus).
G) (1+30+40+200) + (1+30+40+90) = 432, which equals (Arabic: “روح الله يكون الله”) (English: God spirit is God).
H) (20+5+10+70+90) + (8+40+70+60+100) = 473, which equals (Arabic: “وروح الله وهو قدوس”) (English: His Spirit & He is Holy).

However, that “Abjad numerals” was at use by the Arabic Jews during Muhammed days per this hadith from Ibn-Katheir commentary:

قال مر أبو ياسر بن أخطب في رجال من يهود برسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وهو يتلو فاتحة سورة البقرة " الم ذلك الكتاب لا ريب فيه " فأتى أخاه ابن أخطب في رجال من اليهود فقال تعلمون والله لقد سمعت محمدا يتلو فيما أنزل الله تعالى عليه " الم ذلك الكتاب لا ريب فيه " فقال أنت سمعته قال نعم قال فمشى حيي بن أخطب في أولئك النفر من اليهود إلى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فقالوا يا محمد ألم يذكر أنك تتلوا فيما أنزل الله عليك " الم ذلك الكتاب" ؟ فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم " بلى" فقالوا جاءك بهذا جبريل من عند الله ؟ فقال " نعم " قالوا لقد بعث الله قبلك أنبياء ما نعلمه بين لنبي منهم ما مدة ملكه وما أجل أمته غيرك. فقام حيي بن أخطب وأقبل على من كان معه فقال لهم الألف واحدة واللام ثلاثون والميم أربعون فهذه إحدى وسبعون سنة أفتدخلون في دين نبي إنما مدة ملكه وأجل أمته إحدى وسبعون سنة ؟ ثم أقبل على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فقال يا محمد هل مع هذا غيره فقال " نعم " قال ما ذاك ؟ قال " المص " قال هذا أثقل وأطول الألف واحد واللام ثلاثون والميم أربعون والصاد تسعون فهذه إحدى وثلاثون ومائة سنة . هل مع هذا يا محمد غيره ؟ قال " نعم " قال ما ذاك ؟ قال " الر " قال هذا أثقل وأطول الألف واحدة واللام ثلاثون والراء مائتان فهذه إحدى وثلاثون ومائتا سنة. فهل مع هذا يا محمد غيره ؟ قال " نعم " قال ماذا قال " المر " قال هذه أثقل وأطول الألف واحدة واللام ثلاثون والميم أربعون والراء مائتان فهذه إحدى وسبعون ومائتان ثم قال : لقد لبس علينا أمرك يا محمد حتى ما ندري أقليلا أعطيت أم كثيرا. ثم قال قوموا عنه ثم قال أبو ياسر لأخيه حيي بن أخطب ولمن معه من الأحبار ما يدريكم لعله قد جمع هذا لمحمد كله إحدى وسبعون وإحدى وثلاثون ومائة وإحدى وثلاثون ومائتان وإحدى وسبعون ومائتان فذلك سبعمائة وأربع سنين ؟ فقالوا لقد تشابه علينا أمره فيزعمون أن هؤلاء الآيات نزلت فيهم

(Reference#4)

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[dolphinlove]

interesting…

 

[Stjudeprayforus]

I dont know anything about Islam.

Do Muslims believe in Jesus? If so… to what extent?

 

[ricko]

They seem to accept the bible as “the book”. However they do not have an understanding of its teachings as evidence by some of their postings here.

Yes, they believe that Jesus existed but was only a prophet. Many believe that when He was taken off the cross He was not dead and He recovered.

 

[morning_star777]

I dont know anything about Islam.

Do Muslims believe in Jesus? If so… to what extent?

Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet of God,but not as God.

 

[hamba2han]

I don’t even pay much heed to the number 19 code theory of the Qur’an put forward by Rashad Khalifa.

And so, these “Bahira codes” do not really interest me to tell the truth.

 

[Sister_Amy]

I don’t even pay much heed to the number 19 code theory of the Qur’an put forward by Rashad Khalifa.

And so, these “Bahira codes” do not really interest me to tell the truth.

Me too.

The poster seems to be implying that a monk Muhammad met once in his adolescence is responsible for authoring the Qur’an.

 

[Stjudeprayforus]

They seem to accept the bible as “the book”. However they do not have an understanding of its teachings as evidence by some of their postings here.

Yes, they believe that Jesus existed but was only a prophet. Many believe that when He was taken off the cross He was not dead and He recovered.

Does the Bible and the Quran have anything in common?

I dont mean to sound ignorant but I do not know about Islam.

 

[hamba2han]

Does the Bible and the Quran have anything in common?

I dont mean to sound ignorant but I do not know about Islam.

Most Muslims do not believe that any code is required to analyse the true intended meaning of either the Qur’an or the Bible… or any other ancient scripture for that matter.

Both Christians and Muslims can therefore definitely agree that God is NOT the author of confusion.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

I don’t even pay much heed to the number 19 code theory of the Qur’an put forward by Rashad Khalifa.

And so, these “Bahira codes” do not really interest me to tell the truth.

This kind of thing sounds as loopy as the “Bible Code”. ​

 

[sympathy07]

I don’t know about this language.

 

[Sam_777]

Most Muslims do not believe that any code is required to analyse the true intended meaning of either the Qur’an or the Bible… or any other ancient scripture for that matter.

I agree with you, but don’t you think that those weird verses in Quran must mean something!, and isn’t it strange that they can be decoded by that “Abjad numerals” to show valid sentences.

 

[Sam_777]

Did Bahira inspire the Quran?

“In the Christian polemics against Islam, Bahira became a heretical monk, whose errant views inspired the Qur’an. The names and religious affiliations of the monk vary in different Christian sources. For Al-Kindi, who calls him Sergius and writes that he later called himself Nestorius, Bahira was a Nestorian. After the 9th century, Byzantine polemicists refer to him as Baeira or Pakhyras, both being derivatives of the name Bahira, and describe him as an iconoclast. Sometimes Bahira is called a Jacobite or an Arian. Bahira is at the center of the Apocalypse of Bahira, which exists in Syriac and Arabic which makes the case for an origin of the Qur’an from Christian apocrypha. Christian authors maintain that Bahira’s works formed the basis of those parts of the Qur’an that conform to the principles of Christianity, while the rest was introduced either by subsequent compilers such as Uthman Ibn Affan or contemporary Jews.”

 

[Sam_777]

Furthermore, and which is more shocking, if we used that “Abjad numerals” with the Revelation prophecy in the Bible:

(Revelation 13:16-18):
“He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666.”

You would get the following:

666 = 296 + 303 + 67

666 = رسول + العرب + بمكه

English: Arabian Prophet in Makkah.

 

[trdchubi]

Furthermore, and which is more shocking, if we used that “Abjad numerals” with the Revelation prophecy in the Bible:

(Revelation 13:16-18):
“He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666.”

You would get the following:

666 = 296 + 303 + 67

666 = رسول + العرب + بمكه

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English: **Arabian Prophet in Makkah.

Wow interesting Sam where are the links on this Bahira Codes aside from wikipedia?

 

[Stjudeprayforus]

Furthermore, and which is more shocking, if we used that “Abjad numerals” with the Revelation prophecy in the Bible:

(Revelation 13:16-18):
“He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666.”

You would get the following:

666 = 296 + 303 + 67

666 = رسول + العرب + بمكه

English: Arabian Prophet in Makkah.

Where is Makkah?

 

[Jay53]

Where is Makkah?

Also spelled Mecca.

The modern day city is located in and is the capital of Saudi Arabia’s Makkah Province, in the historic Hejaz region
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca

 

[Sam_777]

Wow interesting Sam where are the links on this Bahira Codes aside from wikipedia?

Sorry, since the encoding was in Arabic all the references for Bahira codes are in Arabic as shown in my first post.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Did Bahira inspire the Quran?

“In the Christian polemics against Islam, Bahira became a heretical monk, whose errant views inspired the Qur’an. The names and religious affiliations of the monk vary in different Christian sources. For Al-Kindi, who calls him Sergius and writes that he later called himself Nestorius, Bahira was a Nestorian. After the 9th century, Byzantine polemicists refer to him as Baeira or Pakhyras, both being derivatives of the name Bahira, and describe him as an iconoclast. Sometimes Bahira is called a Jacobite or an Arian. Bahira is at the center of the Apocalypse of Bahira, which exists in Syriac and Arabic which makes the case for an origin of the Qur’an from Christian apocrypha. Christian authors maintain that Bahira’s works formed the basis of those parts of the Qur’an that conform to the principles of Christianity, while the rest was introduced either by subsequent compilers such as Uthman Ibn Affan or contemporary Jews.”

Too bad the theory doesn’t make any sense, and diverges tremendously from historical facts.

You don’t do yourself any credit promoting this sort of nonsense here.

 

[persepolis]

Where is Makkah?

First Makka

Second, I wanna thank you Sam_777 about your decoding…

but now it’s going to be more complex; Arabian Prophet in Makkah !
I’m not sure but it seems that it’s true. Ahmadinejad (that is selected by the supreme leader, Khamenei as president) says about his connection with Mahdi.
(Muslim believe that Mahdi is the last leader of human and he will save good people from evils)

One of my brothers is in iran and he said that you can’t discuss with religious leaders and teachers…

7 or 8 years ago one of my friends predicted advent of Mahdi. He said me that he will come 30 years later. I laughed him… and now I think it is going to happen.

there is something else. In Quran (Islams Book) says that mankind can’t predict “advent of Mahdi” but with that Muslims resources and with some math calculation we can find the date.

that day would be Saturday and Ashoora.