Bailout Deal In Doubt

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Any hestitation on this fleecing of the populace is a good thing, IMO. Maybe this whole mess will wake more people up on not trusting the government about anything. They don’t care about you, everyone. They care about their power.
 
wall street should take the hit. they should follow the money: ceo’s/managers of financial institutions, mortgage brokers and realtors. make them sell their assets to pay for this bail out.

where is the accountability!!!

WAKE UP AMERICA, THE OLIGARCHS ARE STEALING FROM THE MIDDLE CLASS TO STUFF THEIR POCKETS!!!

CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN! DON’T BE A SHEEP! WE ARE FAST HEADED TOWARDS A SOCIALIST STATE!!
**A M E N! **
I just posted on another thread that we are a nation of sheeple! Wake up America, is right!
Any hestitation on this fleecing of the populace is a good thing, IMO. Maybe this whole mess will wake more people up on not trusting the government about anything. They don’t care about you, everyone. They care about their power.
I doubt it will wake anyone up. And they will use scare and panic tactics to continue to steal from us because make no doubt, they aren’t done with us yet. We have no representation in Congress anymore. Their greed has made them deaf to our pleas!

CONNECT THE DOTS EVERYONE! Our civil rights are being eroded unconstitutionally, treaties are being signed unconstitutionally, indeed our very sovereignty is being threatened by the SPP and now they want us to embrace **socialized banking! ** How much more will it take? And nothing will change with either of the two major party candidates.
 
It’s the same principle though. Those who worked and those who didn’t got equally rewarded. My interpretation of that parable is that God distributes blessings according to His wisdom (and love) - not ours.

Applied to our worldly situation, I would simply say that we should not be overly concerned with ‘getting our due’ as opposed to everyone getting a piece of pie…I think it’s beneficial to have such an outlook so as to avoid “culture shock” in the hereafter.
So you embrace socialism, then?

I agree we are a materialistic, greedy and pleasure-seeking society, that maybe needs to be brought to our knees, but I sure have never found anything in my Bible that says we must look the other way when we see evil or allow others to steal from us to make themselves rich!
 
“Give us your money and tear up what’s left of your Constitution or we will sink your economy,” is the message from Wall Street and the Bush Administration. “Give us the power and money we demand or you will be left jobless from a new economic depression."

Check out: votenobailout.org/
 
“Give us your money and tear up what’s left of your Constitution or we will sink your economy,” is the message from Wall Street and the Bush Administration. “Give us the power and money we demand or you will be left jobless from a new economic depression."

Check out: votenobailout.org/
Sounds more like the liberal left me. They have been raping the Constitution for years and there is a concerted effort with their propaganda arm (i.e. the MSM) to destroy the economy just to get their people in absolute power.
 
I disbelieve the prophets of doom.

Let history show our faults. Let there be contrition, repentance, and a desire to amend our nation.

What a shameful mess we’ve made of things since the end of WW2.

I include myself in all this too.
 
“Despite various attempts, the Western world does not know how to map out a model of development that is capable of guaranteeing stable wealth,” the article said.

And perhaps the “new economy” which only wants the re-distribution of wealth isn’t interested in guaranteeing anything to anyone except the plutocracy.
Of course the Western world doesn’t not know how to map out a model of development that is capable of guaranteeing stable wealth. Well maybe it knows how, but to put it in practice is another. I don’t think one needs to get too far into reading Genesis or Exodus to realize why – man’s weakness. As soon as one starts to forget what burnt him before, he starts taking more and more risk, until he gets burnt again. Be it greed, or be it good intentions once we forget what got us into trouble before, we start taking on more and more risk. One can take a perspective of getting his just due or making sure everyone gets a piece of the pie, but once you get too focused on that, one can forget about taking sound methods that won’t kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

So yes, you can read the Bible and start thinking “why are you straying from God again, the same thing will happened that happened the last twenty times.” It’s one thing to read it, it another to actually live it. This fiscal ups and downs doesn’t seem exactly like a failure of the “new economy,” but a typical examples of what happens when good sound economic principles are not followed.
 
Sounds more like the liberal left me. They have been raping the Constitution for years and there is a concerted effort with their propaganda arm (i.e. the MSM) to destroy the economy just to get their people in absolute power.
DO NOT BE FOOLED! They are all complicit! That’s why I refuse to vote for a major party candidate this election. Who raped the Constitution when the Patriot Act, The Military Commissions Act, the NDAA was signed into law? Who authorized NSPD 51? Who pushed and/or allowed us to go into an unconstitutional war? Who allowed, unconstitutionally, generals to sign the Northcom treaty?
 
So you embrace socialism, then?

I agree we are a materialistic, greedy and pleasure-seeking society, that maybe needs to be brought to our knees, but I sure have never found anything in my Bible that says we must look the other way when we see evil or allow others to steal from us to make themselves rich!
No, I do not embrace any “ism” other than Catholicism. I just don’t see the big deal in sharing whatever material blessings I have with others so it doesn’t really matter to me, personally, if this sharing is mandated by the government or if it is voluntary.

My only concern would be to do everything in my power to ensure that the government did use my tax contributions wisely and for the greater good.

Methinks the early Christians (in Acts) were on to something…
 
My only concern would be to do everything in my power to ensure that the government did use my tax contributions wisely and for the greater good.
Would you not prefer to keep your money, give to to whom you choose, and really ensure it’s being used wisely and for the greater good?
 
Would you not prefer to keep your money, give to to whom you choose, and really ensure it’s being used wisely and for the greater good?
No. Despite great deliberation, I’ve sometimes made financial decisions that turned out to be flawed, so can a charitable organization or the government. The only difference is that with a large entity, the scale of waste or mismanagement is proportionally greater than on an individual level.

The charity I used to contribute the most to (a well respected Christian entity I will not name), after closer scrutiny, was apparently being taken advantage of by a charitable organization in the recipient country. My questions seemed to be what raised the alarm; could the organization not have seen the inconsistencies I was able to see without the advantage of their vast resources?

No one method of giving is foolproof; I can be scammed even by directly giving to someone who appears to be in need; so I just use my best judgment and ask the Lord to bless my money, whenever and by whatever means it goes from my hand.

But I digress, back to the topic of bailouts…
 
No. Despite great deliberation, I’ve sometimes made financial decisions that turned out to be flawed, so can a charitable organization or the government. The only difference is that with a large entity, the scale of waste or mismanagement is proportionally greater than on an individual level.
So why do you favor the government handling it then?
 
There is really no alternative to government action relative to regulation of the currency. Never has been. A government may do it wisely or poorly, but it has to do it because nobody else can.

What we’re looking at right now is a very serious potential for massive deflation of the currency on the one hand, and inflation on the other. If all these financial institutions collapse, so will the currency. They don’t have it all in greenbacks in their vaults. It’s almost all loaned out there in debt instruments of one kind or another. The deposits of individuals are not in the vaults either, they are out ther ein the debt instruments.

So, if the debt instruments collapse to be regarded as of no value, the currency tanks. On the other hand, if the government simply cranks up the printing presses to preserve their value, both elements of monetary value exist, and the currency inflates.

Therefore, I personally favor the proposition whereby the government issues guarantees, rather than the one in which the government prints money to purchase the debt instruments.
 
Did anyone catch the Lou Dobbs show last eve? Link to the transcript as it appears on the net this morning is below and here is what one of the economists had to say.
DOBBS: Well, I’m taken by the fact that we used two-and-a-half to ask this Congress to approve $700 billion in taxpayer money to be used at the will of the Treasury secretary – he would be beyond Tsar, he would have been almost god-like, had that been approved. Is – and they keep talking – Democratic leadership in Congress, this president, Henry Paulson, about the sky will fall and the world will end if we don’t put this up, this $700 billion in taxpayer money. Professor, what do you think is the result?
MIRON: I think that this is an extreme exaggeration. There’s no doubt that there will be more bankruptcy, there will be more defaults and there will be some distress on Wall Street if the federal government just stood by and let the market work its way out of this situation. **But, the notion it’s going to be Armageddon, it will be catastrophic, is completely unsubstantiated by common sense or the evidence. **So, it doesn’t call for – it’s not a situation that calls for a dramatic or draconian enormous intervention and indeed the bankruptcy process works incredibly well. What people sometimes forget is when a company goes bankrupt, it’s still there. It’s owned by somebody else, but it’s still there, doing most of what it did before.
transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/26/ldt.01.html
 
"MIRON: I think that this is an extreme exaggeration. There’s no doubt that there will be more bankruptcy, there will be more defaults and there will be some distress on Wall Street if the federal government just stood by and let the market work its way out of this situation. But, the notion it’s going to be Armageddon, it will be catastrophic, is completely unsubstantiated by common sense or the evidence. So, it doesn’t call for – it’s not a situation that calls for a dramatic or draconian enormous intervention and indeed the bankruptcy process works incredibly well. What people sometimes forget is when a company goes bankrupt, it’s still there. It’s owned by somebody else, but it’s still there, doing most of what it did before. "

Far be it from me to question a genuine, honest-to-goodness professor, but I have seen plenty of businesses file bankruptcy that didn’t remain in business afterward.
 
KITTY PILGRIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Congressman Roy Blunt and Senator Judd Gregg are no strangers to the banking industry. According to OpenSecrets.org, the Web site for the Center for Responsive Politics, Congressman **Roy Blunt’s top political donors are in securities, investment, real estate and commercial banks, contributing an estimated $2 million over the course of his career. **
And this year alone, employees and political action committees from financial and securities firms gave $144,000. Commercial banks contributed $83,000. And real estate contributed $107,000. Blunt, who is up for re-election this year, has a history of supporting business and has given a 93 percent approval rating by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce for voting in their interest. Bill Allison is with the Sunlight Foundation, a nonpartisan group that advocates greater government transparency.
BILL ALLISON, SUNLIGHT FOUNDATION: He’s also been somebody who’s been very much, again, a creature of Kay Street (ph) and very much – lobbyists have had his ear and he’s been very much kind of an insider in terms of how he’s run his or how he’s you know functioned in Washington.
PILGRIM: Blunt also voted back in 1999 to roll back banking regulations and sided with the banking industry on overhauling the bankruptcy code in 2005 to make consumers repay more of their debt during bankruptcy. Senator Judd Gregg’s top funding sources this election year are the securities and insurance industries which provide 21 percent of its funding.
RITSCH: Since Senator Gregg has been in Congress, he’s collected about $1 million from the financial sector and the industries that are most interested in this bailout. The insurance industry is his number one contributor.
PILGRIM: Citigroup is listed as the number four top contributor in this election year. Senator Judd Gregg has a Chamber of Commerce ranking voting 88 percent of the time pro business.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PILGRIM: **Now, public advocacy and watchdog groups say because of the deep ties to business and banking, members of Congress involved in crafting the bailout should not be allowed to negotiate behind closed doors without the knowledge of the public **-- Lou.
The transcript is long, so for those of you who don’t want to muddle thru the whole thing, I wanted to post the above…HOW TWEAKED IS A SYSTEM that allows this? And look at the amounts contributed to the various campaigns.
 
The transcript is long, so for those of you who don’t want to muddle thru the whole thing, I wanted to post the above…HOW TWEAKED IS A SYSTEM that allows this? And look at the amounts contributed to the various campaigns.
Roy Blunt and Judd Gregg combined received about a fourth of what Charles Schumer alone received. Both Blunt and Gregg are 'way down on the scale of all Congresspersons, so I’m not sure why the correspondent focused on them.

I don’t know about Gregg, but Blunt is unbeatable in his district. I imagine Schumer is unbeatable in his state.

That’s part of the problem, of course. Blunt runs a very good Congressional services office. If you have problems with your social security or something, they’re right on it. Probably Schumer;s office is the same. People don’t pay much attention to who gives money to their own Senator or Congressman; only to the others.

There ought to be an annual “truth in contributions” law or something, where each officeholder has to put on tv what money he received and what he did for the recipient, with an announcer stating it slowly.

I don’t know, but I’m sure contributors largely get what they want from the officeholders…
 
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