Baker denies a "wedding cake" to a same sex couple

  • Thread starter Thread starter garn9173
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
catharina said:
Yes, ahs is correct as are the many others who said the same thing!
Click to expand...
Your right I am sorry for being rude I have bad patience and, If i wish to become a priest, must learn to be more patient.

To every one I apologize for offending you
 
SwissGuard25 said:
No no no thank you.

You must understand I still have much to learn about the Catholic faith and all I wish to do is enrich my knowledge
Click to expand...
You’ll be fine if you just learn to start taking deep breaths and think before ***reacting ***to ppl.
 
SwissGuard25 said:
Now what were you saying?

I understand that it is wrong to give the gays a “wedding cake” because you are supporting an unholy union that is unnatural to God’s plan
Click to expand...
What I said was that it would be good if
you would thank everyone who carried you
through this struggle.

Me? I’m going to work now.
 
DaddyGirl said:
I will take a look at it! I didn’t see it.

But I’m not saying she should go along with anything that is against her religion.
Sending the couple away with names of other bakeries would be against the religion?

Newbie2 and PatriceA are Catholics and they are in agreement with this one it seems…so they would be wrong, as Catholics, to do this?

You see…this is why several posts back, I was asking a lot of specific questions about how “direct” or “indirect” a Catholic can be with this gay couple and what actions would show “support” of the gay marriage… (and I took a lot of heat, because someone thought I was being judgmental, when I was only asking questions to understand and define this thing here…)…which is why I posed the question, yesterday, of whether or not the baker should or should not bake a birthday cake if this couple came in to get a birthday cake for their kid.

From what I could tell, that would not be “direct” enough to feel as though it supports gay marriage and a gay couple having children together.
It would be okay for the baker to bake a birthday cake (this is starting to feel like a math equation…) for the gay couple who wants to have a party for a child they have together.

But directing them to another baker would NOT be okay, right?

I’m just trying to figure out what the pope, for example, would say this woman should do. Just show them the door immediately and not be nice at all?
After she invited them into her home for a business transaction under, for lack of better phrase, false pretenses?

It’s hard to figure out the nuances here…

She’s not allowed to be “nice”?
(this is an honest question here…)
Click to expand...
there are a lot of questions here, let’s work thru them as best I can.

first, let’s take the whole “nice” thing off the table, okay? According to Catholic teaching found in the CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH’s “LETTER TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON THE PASTORAL CARE OF HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS”: “It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church’s pastors wherever it occurs.” and “The intrinsic dignity of each person must always be respected in word, in action and in law.”

it would be wrong for someone to be rude or angry or threatening to someone in the circumstances as described in tne news article in the OP.

Based on the CRDF excerpt I posted earlier today, I think you will see that we are called to not support or accept SSM. This is because the “marriage” cannot possibly be a marriage and is, in fact, contrary to Catholic teaching and Natural Law. By knowingly participating in said celebration, a person would be considered to be supporting or accepting that celebration as true. Which it cannot be. *

From the above paragraph, look at two words: knowingly and participating. once the baker knows that the celebration is one of SSM, then she cannot participate. What does “participate” mean? That is the crux of your question about how far do the concentric rings flow? birthday cakes?

If Adam and Betty come to you and ask for a cake for their son’t birthday, do you think that you are participating in celebrating their marriage? What if they ask you for a wedding cake? what if they ask you for an anniversary cake?

I do agree that at some point the connections between act and participation become tenuous. For me, I would not suggest another baker–I mean why potentially put yet another person in the same spot as me?! But I would feel like it wasn’t really my place to do so.

as for the “false pretenses”–i do not agree with this characterization. if they had told her on the phone that the cake was for a SSM ceremony and she went ahead and invited them over, that would be false pretenses. but in this case, they were not forthcoming on the phone so she didn’t know there would be an issue.

Now, let me ask you this: do you find it at all suspicious that (a) they chose a Christian woman to cake-test, and (2) when politely turned away, they called the media?

Elizabeth mentioned in another post above that the lgbtq community is one with lists of businesses to patronize–there are magazines and newspapers in every state, internet search engines and websites devoted to this lifestyle. Personally,I smell a set-up.*
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top