Balloon debate: who should jump?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Steadfast_love
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
I don’t think the differentiation works like that. Clearly in this example the Catholic is going to die anyway.

How is this clear? He may die he may not. People have survived plane crashes, parachute failures etc. That’s up to God, not us forcing the issue.

As people have quoted above, “There can be no greater love than to lay down your life for another.” To lay ones life down, it has to be given freely, not be taken by force.

To lay down one’s life is to accept the inevitability of death, not to actually cause it.
You say jumping is the same as throwing someone else…not at all.
Throwing another out the baloon is far different than jumping yourself. If one jumps they are, “laying down your life”. The sacrifice is choosen and offered. This hero is a savior, not of souls but of lives. To toss someone out, is to forceably take another’s life and thus us murder.

To jump is to forceably take your life, and thus suicide.

As you say, there are subtle differences, but I don’t at all agree on your understanding of them.

“Laying down ones life” is “taking one’s own life”. It is a choice, followed by an action, that says I’m doing something that will result in me being dead and these others being alive. Let’s do it.

If “laying down ones life” means less, if it mean “accepting death when it comes and forces us to die” there is no choice/action, we’re just pretending there is. It’s someone saying, “okay I’m toast, I’m going to die…but I choose this death” - then doing nothing different than if they hadn’t had a thought at all, and dying.
I disagree. Laying down one’s life means refusing to take action that might save your life because it is wrong to take that action. e.g. A martyr refuses to deny Christ and is killed. A soldier refuses to run away and is killed. It does not mean killing yourself. It does not mean choosing death. It means facing the probability, even certainty of death, but not inflicting it on oneself.

God Bless
 
I think suicide probably isn’t ever acceptable; but is choosing to sacrifice ones own life always suicide?

There are millions of senarios we could make up with these basic ingredients:
  1. A whole nation is going to certain death…with one chance of being saved.
  2. If a person freely chooses to sacrifice their life and the whole rest of the nation will be saved from death.
And is the answer to this that someone volunteering to be that person is always sinnful? I’m not sure. I think that person is more of a hero (and martyer, though not necessarily a christian martyer).
These senarios ignore one important thing, real life.
The real world always has an escape hatch…

…and with one leap our hero was free…
 
40 years ago, schools existed to help you learn to think for yourself. 🙂

Today, they exist to help turn kids into little indoctrinated robots who will not dare to challenge the official state religion of Political Correctness.

But then, I grew up in America. Today I live in what used to be America. I miss that country every day.
Hmm different country, yet similar problems, same stupid test.

Then again I remember english in high school and it was death and depression 101. So why should the test offer any hope.

thats it! I finally thought of the answer, hope.

The catholic who has faith should share that faith with the others. Pray the immediacy of the situation they would accept the Lord even in the last minutes of their lives. And all go down with the ship. started the journey together and end it that way.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top