Baltimore: basilica illuminated in honor of death penalty repeal [CWN]

[CatholicGeek1]

You are not taking into account hypocrisy and the irrationality of sin. People can say they want an end to the death penalty and still claim that abortion is a good thing that women can’t live without. That’s exactly what is going on in reality. It’s the same as when people called for the death of Jesus while wanting to set the convicted murderer free. There is no logic to sin.

You are correct that there is not a great deal of logic going on here. But surely, building respect for life and creating a pro-life culture are good steps. This is something that our bishops frequently remind us of.

 

[livingwordunity]

You are correct that there is not a great deal of logic going on here. But surely, building respect for life and creating a pro-life culture are good steps. This is something that our bishops frequently remind us of.

But I would argue that there is absolutely zero evidence that the politicians and culture of death will see this as a need to end abortions because they see it as two totally different things. They can’t even admit that a life is taken with abortion.

 

[Debora123]

But I would argue that there is absolutely zero evidence that the politicians and culture of death will see this as a need to end abortions because they see it as two totally different things. They can’t even admit that a life is taken with abortion.

So are you trying to say you’re upset that the death penalty ended in this state?

 

[Debora123]

You are not taking into account hypocrisy and the irrationality of sin. People can say they want an end to the death penalty and still claim that abortion is a good thing that women can’t live without. That’s exactly what is going on in reality. It’s the same as when people called for the death of Jesus while wanting to set the convicted murderer free. There is no logic to sin.

“In his encyclical The Gospel of Life, Pope John Paul II told us that we have an inescapable responsibility of choosing to be unconditionally pro-life.18 This Catholic campaign brings us together for common action to end the use of the death penalty, to reject a culture of death, and to build a culture of life. It poses an old and fundamental choice: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then, that you and your descendants may live. (Dt 30:19)”
—USCCB, A Culture of Life and the Penalty of Death

 

[livingwordunity]

So are you trying to say you’re upset that the death penalty ended in this state?

But the death penalty didn’t end. That’s my point. Maryland didn’t abolish the death penalty since they are still one of the worst states in the nation for the death penalty of abortions. Abortion is the death penalty for the crime of being an unwanted baby. Unlike the remote possibility that someone on death row might be innocent, we know for a fact that every single baby murdered in an abortion is absolutely innocent.

 

[Debora123]

But the death penalty didn’t end. That’s my point. Maryland didn’t abolish the death penalty since they are still one of the worst states in the nation for the death penalty of abortions. Abortion is the death penalty for the crime of being an unwanted baby.

I’m talking about the death penalty for the prisoners in death row. Are you actually upset it ended?

 

[livingwordunity]

I’m talking about the death penalty for the prisoners in death row. Are you actually upset it ended?

Are you reading my posts? I’m upset about abortions in Maryland. I don’t care one way or the other about them banning the death penalty for convicted killers. I’m not going to give the state a pat on the back when they are still murdering God knows how many innocent babies.

 

[CatholicGeek1]

But I would argue that there is absolutely zero evidence that the politicians and culture of death will see this as a need to end abortions because they see it as two totally different things. They can’t even admit that a life is taken with abortion.

Its not all about the politicians. It is about creating an overall culture of life. Things start with the people.

 

[livingwordunity]

Its not all about the politicians. It is about creating an overall culture of life. Things start with the people.

It would start when people admit that abortion is murder and stop calling it a right. The same ones who say they want to end the death penalty are usually the same ones who call abortion a right.

 

[CatholicGeek1]

But I would argue that there is absolutely zero evidence that the politicians and culture of death will see this as a need to end abortions because they see it as two totally different things. They can’t even admit that a life is taken with abortion.

Its not all about the politicians. It is about creating an overall culture of life. Things start with the people.

 

[thewanderer]

It would start when people admit that abortion is murder and stop calling it a right. The same ones who say they want to end the death penalty are usually the same ones who call abortion a right.

I’m confused as to why you are bringing this up on this thread? No one on here is arguing for abortion. The original point of this thread has nothing to do with abortion, so why are you turning this into a thread about abortion?

 

[Debora123]

Are you reading my posts? I’m upset about abortions in Maryland. I don’t care one way or the other about them banning the death penalty for convicted killers. I’m not going to give the state a pat on the back when they are still murdering God knows how many innocent babies.

…And no one here is defending abortion. Neither does this thread have anything to do with abortion.

I too am upset abortion is still legal. But that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be glad that the death penalty was banned. They are not mutually exclusive.

If you don’t want people to think you are actually upset about the ban in the death penalty, then perhaps you should change what you are saying in your posts. Because it most certainly is coming across as if you’re upset about this news.

 

[livingwordunity]

…And no one here is defending abortion. Neither does this thread have anything to do with abortion.

I too am upset abortion is still legal. But that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be glad that the death penalty was banned. They are not mutually exclusive.

If you don’t want people to think you are actually upset about the ban in the death penalty, then perhaps you should change what you are saying in your posts. Because it most certainly is coming across as if you’re upset about this news.

The death penalty has everything to do with abortion since abortion is the death penalty for the innocent. Do you believe that releasing Barabbas made up for the crowd choosing to crucify Jesus in his place?

 

[Debora123]

The death penalty has everything to do with abortion since abortion is the death penalty for the innocent.

Once again, we are speaking of the death penalty to those in prison. We are not speaking of the “death penalty” to the unborn (abortion). So when I say “death penalty,” please know that this is specifically what I am speaking of. I shouldn’t have to explain myself every time. Can you understand that?

Do you believe that releasing Barabbas made up for the crowd choosing to crucify Jesus in his place?

Obviously not, but the death penalty isn’t being banned “in place of abortion.”

Abortion and the death penalty are both legal in this state.

The Church calls to an end to both abortion and the death penalty.

It is good news that thus far, we have been able to get rid of one of those. Unless you support the death penalty, this should be good news to you too… regardless of the fact that abortion is still something we should continue to fight against.

 

[livingwordunity]

Once again, we are speaking of the death penalty to those in prison. We are not speaking of the “death penalty” to the unborn (abortion).

And that is exactly the problem.

the death penalty isn’t being banned “in place of abortion.”

I disagree. While they “end the death penalty”, the death penalty for the innocent (abortion) continues on. It’s the same principle of releasing Barabbas while Jesus is sentenced to death. I’m not going to celebrate the release of Barabbas when I know that Jesus is being unjustly put to death.

 

[Debora123]

And that is exactly the problem.

I think you realize you’re not making any sense, and that’s why you keep resorting to short little responses with smiley faces rather than actually discussing the issue.

Be upset about the ban on the death penalty if you must, I guess.

Just know that you sound a lot like you just support the death penalty and are actually upset that it ended. If you’re ok with that, then I have nothing left to say.

“We hope and pray that this campaign will help bring an end to the use of the death penalty. This end may come through an act of Congress or a definitive court decision; more likely the death penalty will be abandoned and wither away through the everyday choices of prosecutors and legislators, judges and jurors, and ordinary citizens who make a commitment to respect human life in every situation. We look forward to the day when our society chooses not to answer violence with violence.”
—USCCB, A Culture of Life and the Penalty of Death

 

[livingwordunity]

I think you realize you’re not making any sense, and that’s why you keep resorting to short little responses with smiley faces rather than actually discussing the issue.

Be upset about the ban on the death penalty if you must, I guess.

Just know that you sound a lot like you just support the death penalty and are actually upset that it ended. If you’re ok with that, then I have nothing left to say.

“We hope and pray that this campaign will help bring an end to the use of the death penalty. This end may come through an act of Congress or a definitive court decision; more likely the death penalty will be abandoned and wither away through the everyday choices of prosecutors and legislators, judges and jurors, and ordinary citizens who make a commitment to respect human life in every situation. We look forward to the day when our society chooses not to answer violence with violence.”
—USCCB, A Culture of Life and the Penalty of Death

Why must you resort to personal attacks against me while ignoring what I say?

 

[Debora123]

Why must you resort to personal attacks against me while ignoring what I say?

What exactly was my “personal attack?”

I have not ignored a single thing you said. It seems to be you, on the other hand, that takes a whole post of mine, cuts out half of what I say, and only respond to a small portion of it with a short, dismissive response.

 

[livingwordunity]

Just know that you sound a lot like you just support the death penalty

I am for a real end to the death penalty not one that ignores the death penalty for the innocent (abortion).

I keep telling you this, and you keep trying to force something on me that I did not say.

 

[Mark121359]

That is the most wonderful vision! I have ‘to do’ list when I eventually make my way across the Pacific to America. A visit to Baltimore Cathedral will definitely be on it. Lovely and soul stirring sight.

It seems so weird to us who live in non-death penalty countries that it still has a place in American society. It hasn’t proved to mark a decline into more violence and lawlessness in countries who are many many decades beyond its abolition.

I just came from confession there earlier today. It truly is a beautiful Basilica, so yes put that on your “to do” list for sure! And while there, walk down one block hang a right to 114 West Saratoga Street and visit St Alphonsus Church
St John Neumann Shrine, St John Neumann was pastor there 1851-1852. From the Basilica, you can walk there in under three minutes! That’s where I usually go to confession and First Saturday Mass.
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Now about the comments on my home state, the great er, not so great state of Md. We also have the dishonor of employing pond scum here. Dr. Leroy Carhart, and I use the term doctor loosely, has been doing late-term abortions at Germantown Md. Many on here are familiar with his evil doings…29-year-old Jennifer McKenna Morbelli, just one of his victims. God rest her soul!..Ah yes, Maryland, my Maryland…not!

Peace, Mark