Banishing the Cross: The Emergence of a Mormon Taboo

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SpeSalvi said:
Jack, your first comment is in poor form :-/ can you imagine how someone from the LDS church would feel about Catholics If they read your post and noted your religion? Vinegar vs honey. Vitriol vs love.

The LDS Church is trying to demonstrate their Christianity through using a well-recognized Christian symbol. My brother actually did the same thing- wore a cross- when he went to events where he thought religion would come up. I figure their embracing the cross- even if for less honest reasons- is a good thing. Any step toward becoming more closely related with the Christian world is progress.
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How can the LDS cult “demonstrate” Christianity when its members sneer and scoff at the true followers of Christ?, My experience with the LDS cult, both personally and in business, has been mostly unpleasant, starting many years ago when a “missionary” told me that he hoped me, and my wife, and my infant son would burn in hell if I didn’t accept LDS as the true religion. I was an impetuous young fellow then and punched him in the mouth and sent his Mormon propaganda flying into the West Texas wind. Not a very proper Christian response, but it made me feel good.
 
Jack_726 said:
They can drink decaf, but no drinks with caffein. Before decaf came along they drank Postum made from wheat and malt and tastes like it’s made from wheat and malt. Absolutrely no alcoholic beverages. Not even communion wine. That, of course, is a joke. I know all this useless information because I once lived in a predominately LDS community in Arizona and my business partner was a Mormon VIP who never stopped telling me what a sorry lot we Catholics are.

I also beg Marie’s forgiveness. I thought when she said the LDS temple in Rome had a Cross on it I thought she meant on top like Christian churches.
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Even decaf still has some caffeine in it. How much it has varies quite a bit by brand. So does chocolate. Sorry to go off topic. I’ll have to ask my LDS work associates if they drink decaf. :confused:
 
Jack_726 said:
How can the LDS cult “demonstrate” Christianity when its members sneer and scoff at the true followers of Christ?, My experience with the LDS cult, both personally and in business, has been mostly unpleasant, starting many years ago when a “missionary” told me that he hoped me, and my wife, and my infant son would burn in hell if I didn’t accept LDS as the true religion. I was an impetuous young fellow then and punched him in the mouth and sent his Mormon propaganda flying into the West Texas wind. Not a very proper Christian response, but it made me feel good.
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Because they think THEY are the true followers of Christ. Although there is an undeniable arrogance to their beliefs, to say that they’re all horrible people and that they belong to a cult is arrogant on your part. My 2 year old daughter sometimes tries to wear my makeup in an attempt to be like me; along those same lines the LDS church tries to imitate the Holy Mother Church, although I doubt they’ll ever understand why. The people of the LDS church are not to be hated, they are to be loved. They do not have the command to be charitable, but we do.

Re the coffee- the ban is on coffee and hot drinks, not caffeine. Unless they decided to make up their own ideas on it, that is still the case… no coffee at all.
 
Jack_726 said:
Marie, absolutely not! I have found that you, RebeccaJ, and Porknpie are very knowledgeable regarding the LDS cult, hence, “expert Mormonologists”. I referred to your post that there would be a Cross on the LDS temple in Rome, and took it as gospel. I sincerely apologize if I hurt your feelings. I think this is the second time I have apologiized to you in the past week.
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Thank you for the clarification. Much appreciated. 🙂

No, no hurt feelings. I dont get my feelings hurt. Im more of a logical gal from my head. Not a gal from my heart.

The written word can leave it difficult to ascertain the intent of one’s posts, is all. 🙂
 
Jack_726 said:
starting many years ago when a “missionary” told me that he hoped me, and my wife, and my infant son would burn in hell if I didn’t accept LDS as the true religion.
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Mormons dont believe in hell, much less burning in hell. :confused:
 
Porknpie said:
I do tell them though that it’s a real shame that they can’t drink any coffee. :coffeeread:
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If I could share a lighthearted joke:
Two clergy persons are on an airplane, a Catholic priest and a Mormon bishop.
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After a while, the priest turns to the bishop and asks, “Is it still a requirement of your faith that you are not to drink coffee?” The Mormon bishop responds, “Yes that is still one of our beliefs” The Catholic priest then asks, “Have you ever had a cup of coffee”? “Yes,” says the Mormon bishop, “I have to admit–on one occasion I did succumb to temptation and tried a cup of coffee.” The Catholic priest nods in understanding and goes on with his reading.
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A while later, the Mormon bishop speaks up and asks, “Father, is it still a requirement of your church that you remain celibate?” The Catholic priest replies, “Yes, that is still one of our vows.” The Mormon bishop then asks, “Father, have you ever fallen to the temptations of the flesh?” The Catholic priest replied, “Yes, Bishop, on one occasion, I was weak and broke my vow.” The Mormon bishop nodded understandingly for a moment.
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A few minutes later he smiled, looked at the Catholic priest and then said, “A lot better than coffee, isn’t it?”
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SpeSalvi said:
The people of the LDS church are not to be hated, they are to be loved. They do not have the command to be charitable, but we do.
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Don’t they? I thought accepted the New Testament, as well as the Book of Mormon, as inspired. :confused:
 
Oh of course we do. Paul’s discussion on Charity in his first epistle to the Corinthians is hands down my favorite bit of scripture.
 
NeuroTypical said:
Oh of course we do. Paul’s discussion on Charity in his first epistle to the Corinthians is hands down my favorite bit of scripture.
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Mormonism has a pragmatic approach to charity. Circumstance can change just how exactly charitable a Mormon is required to be (or not). With Catholic teaching, it is, “love your neighbor as yourself”, there aren’t any circumstances that change this command, and remove us from our obligation towards charity.

That doesn’t mean, in practice, that Catholics or Mormons are any better or worse than each other. I think given a group of active Mormons and a group of practicing Catholics, you’d find outstanding and poor examples of charitable behavior in both groups.
 
RebeccaJ said:
That doesn’t mean, in practice, that Catholics or Mormons are any better or worse than each other. I think given a group of active Mormons and a group of practicing Catholics, you’d find outstanding and poor examples of charitable behavior in both groups.
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Without a doubt. Nothing bothers me more than one who judges a religion by its lowest common denominator, whether Catholic or Mormon.
 
Neuro Typical…

that had to be a Mormon joke.

My dominican pastor told me when he was in formation to the priesthood, to violate the Latin rite discipline of celibacy was committing a sacrilege…

For a consecrated soul to break celibacy is committing a sacrilege as the priest serves the high altar of God, no priest considering this some thing to joke about later.
 
The Mormon Temple in Rome is hoping to gain the same applause and wonder from the world as is shown the Vatican.

If they put the cross on their doors, it is to me a bait and switch. Not many people there know much about Mormonism or its beliefs and how it emerged in our country as we do.

People should recall the writings of St. Justin the Martyr to the Roman Emperor describing the Mass in how it was celebrated in Rome and the surrounding countryside, written about 155 AD.
 
A big Mormon temple in Rome is like a new Walmart in town. No one wants it, but people still shop there, lured in by advertising, low prices and a friendly greeter at the door.
 
RebeccaJ said:
A big Mormon temple in Rome is like a new Walmart in town. No one wants it, but people still shop there, lured in by advertising, low prices and a friendly greeter at the door.
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I cant imagine any Italian following a religion that prohibits wine and expresso.
 
Porknpie said:
I cant imagine any Italian following a religion that prohibits wine and expresso.
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I know, right?

Or imagine an Italian following a religion that doesn’t allow pre-marital sex, or masturbation, or pornography, or…

–oh, wait.
 
KathleenGee said:
Neuro Typical…

that had to be a Mormon joke.
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I agree. I found Neuro Typical’s joke to be kind of offensive. Not “light-hearted” at all.

I, and many other Catholics, regard the practice of priestly celibacy as an act of reverence for the Lord. It’s distasteful how much mocking and contempt Mormons show toward it, and toward us for valuing it. They want respect for their beliefs, but most of them won’t respect ours in return.
 
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