Baptised in a swimming pool - Is my baptism valid?

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I was baptised Methodist in the minister’s swimming pool, by immersion. My priest doesn’t know if it was valid because of the chlorine. Baptism requires the Trinity + water. Methodists have a Trinitarian form of baptism, but my priest questioned whether a swimming pool met the water criterion. Coffee is 99% water, but it’s definitely not water and could not be used for baptism any more than kool aid or, I guess, chlorinated water. I’m currently in RCIA. What are your thoughts? Should I have a conditional baptism? Was my first baptism valid?
 
I would say yes your baptizm is valid because it was trinitarian. There are many circumstances by which baptism is valid even though it may not seem like it should be.
 
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sabrinaofmn:
I was baptised Methodist in the minister’s swimming pool, by immersion. My priest doesn’t know if it was valid because of the chlorine. Baptism requires the Trinity + water. Methodists have a Trinitarian form of baptism, but my priest questioned whether a swimming pool met the water criterion. Coffee is 99% water, but it’s definitely not water and could not be used for baptism any more than kool aid or, I guess, chlorinated water. I’m currently in RCIA. What are your thoughts? Should I have a conditional baptism? Was my first baptism valid?
This question came up in our parish when we installed a temporary (3 years ago!) immersion font. You CANNOT keep the baptismal pools now so fashionable in Catholic churches without dosing them with pool chemicals. They quickly turn into slime ponds. Verdict: it’s water. We baptise with chlorinated water when we use tap water – at least in our part of the world.
 
I was taught in Catholic School many years ago that in an emergency one could use any water, such as coffee, lemonade, soda pop as long as the triniterian formula was used. So I would have to surmise that any water including swamp and river water would be acceptable. In any case if your priest wants to be extra careful, being baptized coditionally is not painful. 🙂 🙂
 
Taken From New Advent:
Theologians tell us consequently that what men would ordinarily declare water is valid baptismal material, whether it be water of the sea, or fountain, or well, or marsh; whether it be clear or turbid; fresh or salty; hot or cold; colored or uncolored. Water derived from melted ice, snow, or hail is also valid. If, however, ice, snow, or hail be not melted, they do not come under the designation water. Dew, sulfur or mineral water, and that which is derived from steam are also valid matter for this sacrament. As to a mixture of water and some other material, it is held as proper matter, provided the water certainly predominates and the mixture would still be called water. Invalid matter is every liquid that is not usually designated true water. Such are oil, saliva, wine, tears, milk, sweat, beer, soup, the juice of fruits, and any mixture containing water which men would no longer call water. When it is doubtful whether a liquid could really be called water, it is not permissible to use it for baptism except in case of absolute necessity when no certainly valid matter can be obtained. On the other hand, it is never allowable to baptize with an invalid liquid.
 
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Sanctus:
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I guess this also settles the matter of whether coffee within the one-hour period before receiving Communion breaks the fast.
 
In case anyone was wondering, we know definitively that Beer is right out for Baptism.
Since as we have learned in your report, it sometimes happens because of the scarcity of water, that infants of your lands are baptized in beer, we reply to you in the tenor of those present that, since according to evangelical doctrine it is necessary ‘to be reborn from water and the Holy Spirit’ [John 3:5] they are not to be considered rightly baptized who are baptized in beer.
-Pope Gregory IX in the letter ‘Cum Sicut Ex’
 
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mercygate:
I guess this also settles the matter of whether coffee within the one-hour period before receiving Communion breaks the fast.
Pope Clement VIII on Coffee (he was asked to condemn this infidel Arab commodity)

" This Satan’s Drink is so delicious that it would be a pity to let the infidels have exclusive use of it. We shall cheat Satan by baptizing it"
 
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sabrinaofmn:
I was baptised Methodist in the minister’s swimming pool, by immersion. My priest doesn’t know if it was valid because of the chlorine. Baptism requires the Trinity + water. Methodists have a Trinitarian form of baptism, but my priest questioned whether a swimming pool met the water criterion. Coffee is 99% water, but it’s definitely not water and could not be used for baptism any more than kool aid or, I guess, chlorinated water. I’m currently in RCIA. What are your thoughts? Should I have a conditional baptism? Was my first baptism valid?
Valid Baptism requires substantially water. What was the swimming pool filled with? One would hope the answer is WATER!
 
Br. Rich SFO:
Valid Baptism requires substantially water. What was the swimming pool filled with? One would hope the answer is WATER!
Well, since he was a Methodist, I guess we couldn’t hope for beer!
 
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Brendan:
Pope Clement VIII on Coffee (he was asked to condemn this infidel Arab commodity)

" This Satan’s Drink is so delicious that it would be a pity to let the infidels have exclusive use of it. We shall cheat Satan by baptizing it"
I LOVE THIS! Bartender: One double iced mocha latte for Brendan! On me. :tiphat:
 
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rwoehmke:
I was taught in Catholic School many years ago that in an emergency one could use any water, such as coffee, lemonade, soda pop as long as the triniterian formula was used. So I would have to surmise that any water including swamp and river water would be acceptable. In any case if your priest wants to be extra careful, being baptized coditionally is not painful. 🙂 🙂
Coffee is not water, it’s coffee. Lemonade is not water it’s lemonade. The test is if I set two glasses side by side one with water the other with lemonade, coffee, or soda pop. Could you tell the difference without chemical analysis. More than likely. Only water is the valid matter for Baptism.

If there is a serious doubt about your Baptism then a conditional Baptism is necessary, this is always done privately with only two witnesses and the minister.
 
This thread has been alot of fun.

I too was baptized in a pool…several years after being baptized in a river.

And I love that evil drink…
 
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sabrinaofmn:
My priest doesn’t know if it was valid because of the chlorine … What are your thoughts? Should I have a conditional baptism? Was my first baptism valid?
Our thoughts don’t matter. Do what your priest tells you to do.
 
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